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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I'm certainly not a Lukas fan but how exactly is this different from what Pletcher or any of the big name trainers are doing presently. They get the best stock, they have the best vets, they win the most races. Lukas was using steroids, his juicer 'students' are relying on other types of meds. Same old ****. Tell you this much: take away the meds in racing and half of these (presently very successful) idiots couldn't train a poodle. They're frauds. The difference is Lukas is transparent to just about everyone while you, and others, put his juicer students on pedestals.
I mean, you're apparently in the game. Check out what's happening with regularity out in Southern Cali. I've been playing the ponies for over 30 years. Once upon a time, you either routed your horses or sprinted them. Now, in CALI, they go from a single sprint to winning routes. Not only do they win but they outfinish horses that have been routing. Now, that's some serious training ****. Sadler, Mitchell, Baffert, Abrams, etc.; they do it all the time. When's the last time a sprinter was able to stretch and win on the turf after a single sprint? Doesn't happen in too many other venues (excepting the AQU INNER). Guess these horses aren't 'specialists' anymore and they mix up their distances with regularity. New age training. Righttttttttttttt. Same way Pletcher's horses consistently get those WIDE trips and just keep going in the lane.
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I don't think there is any doubt that many of the top trainers have the best vets and they make full use of these vets. I agree with you there. But I still think that we can still usually separate the truly good trainers from the guys that would stop winning if all drugs were banned.
Let's pretend that all vets were banned from the track and there were cameras everywhere and there was no way to use any type of drug. I think that some trainers would still do well while others would drop off a cliff.
I think that Doug O'Neil would totally disappear. I think Mike Mitchell's win percentage would drop in half. I think that Vladimir Cerin's numbers would plummet.