How far will Discreet Cat win by this weekend??
 

double digits.. 10 lengths I reckon!

Yeah he probably will. My question is what they do with him after that? My guess is that they will point him for the Cigar Mile at Aqueduct in November. That would leave a little layoff, but for a horse who has been as fragile as he has been, that really would be the optimal situation.
He'd have to face Silver Train there, who is pointing for that race. That would be a very nice matchup.

5 or 6, throttled down, he won't be asked.

He'll smoke Silver Train like a cheap cigar. You probably know better than I do, but I would doubt Dutrow wants it with this horse.

I like Silver Train in that matchup. Check out the fractions he ran in the Met before you dismiss him so fast.

In hand by 5, i can't remember the last time i seen gomez beat on one that was 5 infront and pulling away.

Ateam,
I dunno know about that. I dunno know about that at all.
My experience with unsound horses is that they run their best races with no pressure. Stretch duels have a way of getting to them. The extra exertion sometimes becomes their undoing. Hes another one I wanna see looked in the eye before I annoint him the second coming, and I really love the horse.
Hes never been battle tested though. If you think he'd just walk by a horse like Silver Train without being pushed to the limit you and I disagree.
As a matter of fact, thats exactly the kinda horse who could beat him. One thing about Silver Train is thathe is one ofthe gamest horses I ever saw. hes been in jeopardy of being beat 3 times in grade one races, and each time he held on or fought off his opponent. Hes one of those horses who knows what his job is and knows where the finish line is. He ain't no pushover, hes game and hes fast.

I like Silver Train a lot, but he's not on Discreet Cat's level to me.

Well, if those two go to the Cigar Mile, Lawyer Ron is definitely off of my win list for that race...

I thought this would be a good spot for Lawyer Ron, but no way can he beat those two monsters. Still, a third or a fourth (depends on who else shows up in that race) in a GI race would be better than an off the board finish in the BCC.

Silver Train is my favorite sprinter/miler in a long time.
I like any Dutrow horse, but especially this one.

unfortunatetly, it does not matter.
if Discreet Cat is sound enough for Godolphin to run him in a race, he is simply too damn fast to lose.

Silver Train has been nothing but impressive in his last 2 wins,
but DCat is on another planet.


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If the Cigar Mile was at Belmont it would be a great matchup. ST is a nice horse away from BEL and a FREAK at BEL. The Cigar Mile is at the big A which has not been as kind to Train.

Finding Foes for Discreet Cat
 

It's 3:43 and still no entries up for Sunday. They must be scurrying to try and find enough horses for the Jerome.

They've been up for a little while. They got six, including the Baffert horse who is also entered tomorrow.....



9th (5:12)
Jerome Breeders' Cup H. (G2)
1 Mile Dirt Open 3 Year Olds
Stakes - Purse:$150,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Quietly Go Prado E S 114 0 L
2 Discreet Cat Gomez G K 124 0 L
3 Nar Velasquez C 113 0 L
4 Spring At Last Luzzi M J 112 0 L
5 Noonmark Velazquez J R 115 0 L
6 Valid Notebook Castellano J J 114 0 L

Thanks, they get equibase to take over their website and then can't even get the entries on equibase.com.

Go Nar!

This is silly. I was at Spectacular Bid's walkover. but he is not an immortal yet.

Nice weight allowance in this race. I think 9lbs to Noonmark is fair. I wonder if New York will allow show betting in this race.

Noonmark is the only one with a chance IMO.

Wow! A handicap where the best horse is giving significant weight to the lesser lights! Do you think this will catch on? <sarcasm>

lol

glad they finally came up with some kind of system to equalize fields between the very good and the not quite so good....hey, maybe it'll even encourage those with 'lesser' horses to take on the big guys.:D

What will the Discreet/ Noonmark exacta pay. 3.40, 3.80, or an even 4????

this horse was a tik off the track record and was never asked, damn thats is fast! and ran that race off a 6 month layoff!

The horse that Discreet Cat defeated last time out in the allowance race was beaten today in the same allowance condition at Belmont Park.
I'm not so sure I'd say he would win by ten lengths, these are better than Contessa's horse that he beat last out.

Its like stepping into the ring with TYSON in his heyday!:cool:

As usual on the internet there is a substantial chasm between Discreet Cat's actual ability and his perceived ability.

I wonder if it's the anonymity factor.

no,
its the fact that he beat Invasor without being asked at all.
in fact, he has beaten every horse he has ever faced without being asked.

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Testimony ( another Darley/Godolphin horse ) finished second in that same race. Have you noticed how he has run in his two starts in America?

And, by the way, Discreet Cat was certainly " asked " in his race in Saratoga.

Yea Right you must not of watched the race or read the inview with gomez, from this point on your opinon is of no value to me

1 8 DISCREET CAT (USA) 3 / 55kgs S bin Suroor UAE F Dettori
2 10 TESTIMONY (USA) 3 / 55kgs S bin Suroor UAE G Gomez 6
3 9 FLAMME DE PASSION (JPN) 3 / 55kgs K Sumii Japan Y Take 0.25
4 4 INVASOR (ARG) 3 / 59kgs K McLaughlin UAE R Hills 0.75
5 1 DOMINGUIN (PER) 3 / 59kgs D Zanelli USA J Velazquez 3.75
6 7 SIMPATICO BRIBON (CHI) 3 / 59kgs I Jory Saudi Arabia J Murtagh 1.5
7 2 GABURIN (AUS) 3 / 59kgs H Mori Japan O Peslier 1.75
8 13 WHERE'S THAT TIGER (USA)
3 / 55kgs M de Kock South Africa W Marwing 3.25
9 6 MY ROYAL CAPTAIN (NZ) 3 / 59kgs L Laxon Singapore E Ahern 1.5
10 3 GOLD FOR SALE (ARG) 3 / 59kgs I Jory Saudi Arabia M Kinane 3.75
11 12 WELL ARMED (USA) 3 / 55kgs C Brittain Great Britain R Moore 3.5
12 5 JACKSON (BRZ) 3 / 59kgs A Cintra Pereira Brazil M Almeida 10
13 11 UNIFICATION (CAN) 3 / 55kgs I Mohammed UAE K McEvoy 5.75

Winning Time: 1:48:59
3 wide the whole race and was never asked and beat 12 other horses form other countries not a bunch of dubai bum horses he beat a world class field of 3 yo's in hand

Really? It sure as hell didn't look like it.

OK and the stopwatch at Saratoga lies! I don't answer questions from stupid people they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experiance.

“He actually surprised me with the move he made,” Gomez said. “He did everything on his own.”

He wasn't in a full out drive by any stretch of the imagination but he was ridden out. Could he have gone faster? Maybe but if so probably not a great deal faster.

Look, he's a supremely talented horse, no doubt about it, but if you didn't see his pps, or the pps of those he beat, you would have a much different idea of this horse from reading the kind of accolades he gathers around here. I have found that letting horses prove themselves on the racetrack is the most telling thing.

Bernardini is the real deal,
but Discreet Cat is an absolute once in a lifetime freak.
how are you going to fault a horse that does not lose?


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I think they're both ridiculously fast, two of the best 3-year-olds in a LONG time, and discrediting either one is ludicrous.

yeah,
Godolphin does the aggressive thing in Europe,
and stays somewhat conservative here.
have yet to figure it out yet completely.
whatever they do, they always hide behind the term "do whatever is best for the horse".
whatever the hell that means.
if anyone was really concerned about what was best for the horse, they would just run around in fields somewhere on the Irish countryside.

I would never tell another man what to do with his horse(they can shoot it in the head for all I care), but I just hate ppl hiding behind that damn phrase.


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well,
some ppl are always going to hate the fact that Bernardini won the Preakness(which is nothing more than the race where Barbaro was injured to some people).
and also there is the fact that Bernardini has been beaten, although very early on before he knew what he was doing.

bottom line is that neither horse has done anything wrong and both are extremely fast.

2 legitimate superstars.


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