Nice try Nostradamus
 

Cacique layed over this field.
Showing Up got away with a perfect trip right off the soft pace and got windburned when cacique exploded by him in a last 1/8th of 10 and change!!!!!!!!

Cacique's got an edge on your boy now Kev.

Alive in the Pick 4, just like everybody else I believe, to 3,4,5,8, and 11 for a 2$ ticket.

Cacique never fails to fire.

I would never bet a 3 y/o facing a grade 1 calibur field of older horses for the first time. He should have been 4 or 5-1 against this group. As Oracle said, Cacique swallowed him up even after showing up got a cozy trip just off the leader.

Now the finale, which makes me nervous.
$3 pick 4 ticket alive to the 3; $1 pick 4 ticket to the 3,8 and 11.
The first leg was where everyone thought the value would come from, and Gomez came through with the favorite.

this 2 is live at belmont s 10th use him in the super ect 16-1....super box 2/3/4/8/11......ouch....lol

Very impressive
 

Visually, had to be his best race to date...
Sitting mid pack seems to suit him well and the closing kick was insane....

Looks ready for a big one on Breeders Cup Day....
Suspect Frankel will train him up to that one...

In reality Showing Up is the best 3Yo grass horse of the year at this point.
But its awful tough to step up and beat solid older horses like cacique.
He'd be best served aiming at the Hollywood Derby and its lucrative payday rather than the Breeders Cup.

You know Randall I think Pletcher played better chess here. While cacique has the edge now, I dunno if running him right back in the Turf Classic is the right move.
If he doesnt go and EC does and wins, then he has the edge.
And since both probably won'[t beat the Euros in the BC, basically its EC's championship if he wins the Turf Classic.

Mike..

I think he'd do well aiming for the BC Mile.. This was his longest try yet, and it's clear while he's versatile, 1.5m is beyond his scope. Think War Chant...

Steve hes just not that talented. hes beaten 3Yo's with two perfect trips.
Todays race was really not even as good as his 3rd place looks.
He sat an absolute perfect trip behind dawdling fractions and got first run at the longshot leader when he faded. he had a full tank of gasoline and still got passed by Go deputy.
I saw War Chant, and War Chant he aint. Not even close. If he tries the mile he'd be lucky to beat 4 horses.

His figs fit nicely with these today, and while empty for the stretch drive, it could simply be that it's further than he cares to go. He is far from talentless. The effort at Colonial was quite good, and he's displayed nice versatility up to today. He was giving away experience, and the less than firm footing could have been a factor too.

I think Tagg has to figure out what exactly he's best at, and he doesn't have a great deal of time to do it. The Mile seems like the only logical spot, and you know the Jacksons are going to want to be there. I would say that with the modest career starts, long distance limitations (9.5f max?) and ability to win on dirt and turf, he's the closest thing we've seen to War Chant..

Put him in the mile! End of Story! Tired of hearing of the Great Showing Up and that he should win easily.

To be honest with you if I were Frankel I would run cacique in the mile.
His turn of foot when rated is just crushing, and the mile would allow him to settle off a hotter pace, esepcially at Cd where the mile is two turns.
Don't be surprised if frankel chooses the mile with cacique. hes prone to changing his mind, and I wouldnt be surprised if he went mile with cacique, and won.
Showing Up should be much better at age 4, the properly handled ones always are.

I would like SU in the BCM as well, but why not the Classic? He's obviously a step below Bernardini and Invasor, but last time I checked, third and fourth in that race pay pretty well.

If SU prior 2 wins on T were on firm then today's showing on good explains the lack of punch. Still a decent effort from SU.

Showing Up will get his butt kicked by older horses if he decides to run in the BC he will just get in the way and make someone else miserable in the process
But watch they will run him they will say well we are gonna half to start faceing older sooner or later and for the a chance at the BC purses you better belive he will be there

my pick today go deputy ran huge and with a better trip will do well in the bc.....

I will take my beating like a man. I thought he would win and lost $250 on him. I did win it all back in the ninth with my $24 horse I gave out it our picks thread. I also picked Brilliant.

The Showing Up camp was happy with his effort. They just thought he was a little too aggressive. He did run ok but there is a distance question with him. The turf was not very good either. Rumor has it he will try the dirt again. Breeders Cup Classic would be interesting. My brother really thinks he will definitely go in the Breeders Cup Mile.

he ought to go in the classic...he's a good horse, but you gotta be much better than good to beat older as a 3 yo....

here's hoping he runs next year, don't see why showing up wouldn't....maybe he can pull a 'lava man' and win gr 1's on both surfaces. of course now i guess we have to say on three surfaces, don't we?

Tagg does not think he is better on the turf. He just does not know. He even said it on ATRAB on Monday. He will be around next year so they probably will experiment a little with him.

Tagg likes a lot of time between races so I really think he will be freshened up for the Breeders Cup Turf. He just ran out of gas today.

He will be back next year. There is not huge interest in him as a stallion. His pedigree is not great and he is pretty tiny. He had some soundness issues at 2 also and the owners let Barclay decide everything because they are not that connected to Showing Up. I am pretty sure Barclay would like to have him in the barn next year. They still think he might be a great miler on the dirt.

i know i had seen in the past they planned to run him at four, good!

just put him up as one of my picks as a star for next year.

Barclay handles him very carefully. He was not healthy at 2. I would like to see him try the dirt again but the turf is easier on him. He was injured twice this year on the dirt and he seems to like the turf a little more. I think he needs to find out if he can't run 12F or if it was just that he didn't like the off turf. I have a gut feeling he will be in the Breeders Cup Turf. He might just need more than 4 weeks between races.

Sometimes, I really think people forget how difficult it is for a 3YO to beat older horses. Just as there is a maturation process from 2YO-3YO, there is also a difference from age 3-4.

no, not sometimes...a lot of times. and i get pounced on when i encourage caution...but hey, if you're gonna dream, i guess you have to dream big.

You should know. English Channel ran a huge race last year and was beaten by Shakespeare by a nose. It looks like the Eclipse is English Channels to lose. He will be deserving if he can win the Turf Classic and hit the board in the Breeders Cup Turf.

Indeed. As good as EC was last year as a 3yo, I said over the winter he would have a monster 4YO year, and he has not dissapointed. His 2 losses this year have come in races where they CRAWLED around the track.

True Deb....very true. I think SU is a VERY GOOD 3YO turf horse, but I wouldn't have bet him today with your money....not trying olders for the first time.

He probably is the best american turf horse at 12F but I still do not see how he beats the big horses from europe. The voting will be interesting between him and cacique but I guess Aragorn could win the Eclipse too.

and both at 10f, correct? i remember when sulamani came over for the arlington million, the one where gary stevens ended up laying on the finish line while storming home did his best impression of gerald ford coming down the steps....anyway, sulamani was good, real good, but 10f was not his best distance. bingo, he came in fourth...a lot of people jumped on his bandwagon pre-race, because he was the class of the field--but NOT at 10f. those turfers are quirky. most have to have exactly the right ground, and of course the right distance. EC should avoid 10f like the plague.

just think the odds bettors will get on english channel come bc time.

Be interesting to see who comes over. He will have to bring his A+ game to have a chance on Nov. 4th.

would love to see aragorn get the nod....but milers are about as respected vs longer turfers as turfers are vs classic on dirt....


also, don't forget high chaparrals repeat win in the bc turf, when he dead heated with johar(WHO?! lol)!
the americans will have a shot if the ground is right. keep an eye on the weather.

You think he needs longer??

must be, those are his two losses. horses are funny, but turfers are really funny.

a lot of euros like softer going, so if we have a lot of rain leading up the bc, i'd back a euro over an american...but if we have a really firm course (also, overseas they water the track if there's no rain) than i would back an american horse. it's why most euros don't want to show up if the bc is on the west coast. they don't like the track. but when the bc is at belmont for instance, you don't have a problem getting a full field.
a lot of people believe in a euro 'dominance' over here--but i wonder how many paid attention when the stat was put up that the arlington million is won 1/3 of the time by euros, thus 2/3 by north americans. i'd think most would have thought it was the other way around. also, a lot of euro horses come here to run after limited success overseas, generally because they don't like the cut in the ground you get over there, and not over here. our turf is much firmer than overseas...that's why they come here--they're good horses, they're just out of their element over there. it's amazing to me how much the surface affects most turf horses. certainly seem pickier than their dirt running counterparts.

I disagree with this.. Cacique is just as deserving as of right now, if not more. Two G1s apiece and Cacique beat him in the Million..

Joey....that race is a total toss, at least handicapping wise. YOU could have set those fractions and they wouldn't have passed you in the stretch.

I think those two losses were more due to the slow pace in those races as opposed to the distance of the race.

EC has won going 1 1/16, 1 3/16, 1 1/4, 1 3/8

In the Manhattan that Cacique won he got away with setting fractions of :51.2, 1:16.6, 1:40.4, 2:04.0.

In the Million, EC was 3 wide the whole race and it didn't help when he and Cacique bumped coming out of the gate, pushing EC even wider out than the far outside that he started from. That million was more a jocks race than anything else. How in the hell they could let a horse as game as The Tin Man get away with setting those fractions was beyond me. No one went with him to keep him honest and they all paid the price.

I don't know.. my optimal distance is about 8 1/2 furlongs.. after that I'm liable to spit the bit.