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deltagulf 09-17-2010 10:26 AM

lookin at lucky
 
looks like indiana derby next for him if his works are good next time he works

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2010 10:34 AM

It's the traditional route to the BC Classic. Maybe he wants him to get used to running under the lights ( I can hear that lame excuse coming already ).

randallscott35 09-17-2010 10:35 AM

Garcia makes all the difference. :rolleyes:

tjfla 09-17-2010 11:26 AM

Sounds good maybe the PA and Super Derby will have big fields then:D

The PA Derby's noms looked really nice-looked like the Travers all over

ALW Exhi
Fly Down Friend or Foe
First Dude Golden Moka
Afleet Express Ice Box
Afleet Again Thiskyhasnolimit
Trappe Shot Trickmeister
Hurricane Ike Ibboyee

Super Derby not so much tho

Anyone know what is going on with Concord Point? Ran 2 great races but thats it-isnt nominated to either race and doubt he runs in the IN Derby now that LaL is going there with his jock?

deltagulf 09-17-2010 11:47 AM

right under the lights and probably easy money for him .
agree should be better fields for super derby and pa derby now .

NTamm1215 09-17-2010 11:52 AM

For what it's worth Hoosier does not run at nights on weekends and this race will be run in the afternoon as far as I know.

Someone in the racing office at Hoosier has won Bob Baffert over as this will now be the 2nd consecutive year he sent a horse to the Ind Derby.

NT

rpncaine 09-17-2010 11:58 AM

Hoosier has a very long stretch too. Sorta like the track where the BC will be ran this year....;)

hockey2315 09-17-2010 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deltagulf (Post 696583)
looks like indiana derby next for him if his works are good next time he works

source?

Dahoss 09-17-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 696605)
source?

Haskin wrote about it in the bloodhorse.

Smooth Operator 09-17-2010 12:24 PM

Be great to see the champ back in action :tro:

hockey2315 09-17-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 696608)
Haskin wrote about it in the bloodhorse.

Thanks. . . Smart spot from their point of view, worthless for the rest of us.

tjfla 09-17-2010 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 696614)
Thanks. . . Smart spot from their point of view, worthless for the rest of us.

Worthless? PA Derby probably just went from 6 horses to 10 or 11 good horses(Think Travers). I would rather have a good betting race there then have a race with LaL at 7/5 and 6horses which is what the IN Derby now is.

Rudeboyelvis 09-17-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 696591)
Anyone know what is going on with Concord Point? Ran 2 great races but thats it-isnt nominated to either race and doubt he runs in the IN Derby now that LaL is going there with his jock?

Done for the rest of the year - coming back for a 4 yo campaign though.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...top-colts.aspx

asudevil 09-17-2010 03:13 PM

How much is the purse for that race?

booner 09-17-2010 03:51 PM

Indiana Derby - $500k
Pennsylvania Derby - $1 million

tjfla 09-17-2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 696646)
Done for the rest of the year - coming back for a 4 yo campaign though.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...top-colts.aspx

Weird but should be a really nice 4 yr old next year

chucklestheclown 09-18-2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 696599)
For what it's worth Hoosier does not run at nights on weekends and this race will be run in the afternoon as far as I know.

Someone in the racing office at Hoosier has won Bob Baffert over as this will now be the 2nd consecutive year he sent a horse to the Ind Derby.

NT

LOL. Maybe it's a blinkers thing.

Thunder Gulch 09-18-2010 08:17 AM

I guess I give LAL a pass for not stepping up vs olders since he has suffered some minor health issues, but the overriding theme of 2010 continues to the graded stakes horses finding the softest spots. Stakes racing in the US this year resembles a starter allowance series.

Travis Stone 09-18-2010 08:17 AM

There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

In our case, our stakes coordinator became very sick this summer and missed a lot of time. He's back at work, is a stand-up guy and I wish him the best.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.

Danzig 09-18-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 696779)
I guess I give LAL a pass for not stepping up vs olders since he has suffered some minor health issues, but the overriding theme of 2010 continues to the graded stakes horses finding the softest spots. Stakes racing in the US this year resembles a starter allowance series.

this has been going on for years, with horses dodging each other for most of the season, if not all of it. it's why last years rachel campaign got so much buzz. it seems the only race this year where some of the best faced off was blame vs quality road.
but hey, if zenyatta gets a pass for racing nobodies all year, i guess lookin at lucky can do the same. baffert knows all he has to do is get to the bc in one piece and the 3 yo eclipse is his.

westcoastinvader 09-19-2010 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)
There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

In our case, our stakes coordinator became very sick this summer and missed a lot of time. He's back at work, is a stand-up guy and I wish him the best.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.




Just keep up the good game......

Enjoy, ONWARD, and prosper.

RolloTomasi 09-19-2010 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)
There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.

There's a huge alternative to altering the traditional calendar placement of the Super Derby (the name alone connotes that it should be more important than all those other Derbies you listed)...

...bring back the $1 million purse.

It was the only reason the race was popular to begin with.

Travis Stone 09-19-2010 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 696967)
There's a huge alternative to altering the traditional calendar placement of the Super Derby (the name alone connotes that it should be more important than all those other Derbies you listed)...

...bring back the $1 million purse.

It was the only reason the race was popular to begin with.

Can you loan us $500,000? Easier said than done... but I agree.

Thunder Gulch 09-19-2010 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 696809)
this has been going on for years, with horses dodging each other for most of the season, if not all of it. it's why last years rachel campaign got so much buzz. it seems the only race this year where some of the best faced off was blame vs quality road.
but hey, if zenyatta gets a pass for racing nobodies all year, i guess lookin at lucky can do the same. baffert knows all he has to do is get to the bc in one piece and the 3 yo eclipse is his.

The 3yo Eclipse is his regardless.

deltagulf 09-19-2010 09:29 AM

the slots can't generate the 500,000 needed for the super to go back to 1 million

clyde 09-19-2010 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)
There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

In our case, our stakes coordinator became very sick this summer and missed a lot of time. He's back at work, is a stand-up guy and I wish him the best.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.


Give it up already.





That place is an amusement park.

FATPIANO 09-20-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 696978)
The 3yo Eclipse is his regardless.

By default

DaTruth 09-20-2010 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)
We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

At least it has cooled off in September. Nothing says fall is coming like 100 degree days.

letswastemoney 09-20-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 696978)
The 3yo Eclipse is his regardless.

I feel that Afleet Express has a shot to the title if he wins his next race and if that next race is the JCGC

cakes44 09-20-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 697480)
I feel that Afleet Express has a shot to the title if he wins his next race and if that next race is the JCGC

I see what you are saying(travers + JCGC > Preakness + Haskell), but I think you'd then be discounting anything LAL did even before the TC races. That and LAL would have to fall over to lose the Indiana Derby, which won't add much to his resume, but it does add something.

Clip-Clop 09-20-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 697482)
I see what you are saying(travers + JCGC > Preakness + Haskell), but I think you'd then be discounting anything LAL did even before the TC races. That and LAL would have to fall over to lose the Indiana Derby, which won't add much to his resume, but it does add something.

Preakness and Haskell has been the recipe for success in Eclipse voting of late.

Dahoss 09-20-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 697522)
Preakness and Haskell has been the recipe for success in Eclipse voting of late.

Not really. Big Brown and Rachel Alexandra recently. However their total accomplishments during the year dwarfed their competitors.

That said, it's going to take Afleet Express winning the the JCGC and Classic to wrestle the award away from LAL. Even then it might not be enough.

RockHardTen1985 09-20-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697567)
Not really. Big Brown and Rachel Alexandra recently. However their total accomplishments during the year dwarfed their competitors.

That said, it's going to take Afleet Express winning the the JCGC and Classic to wrestle the award away from LAL. Even then it might not be enough.


LOL the JCGC and Classic wont be enough? Are you insane?
I

Clip-Clop 09-20-2010 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697567)
Not really. Big Brown and Rachel Alexandra recently. However their total accomplishments during the year dwarfed their competitors.

That said, it's going to take Afleet Express winning the the JCGC and Classic to wrestle the award away from LAL. Even then it might not be enough.

Agreed, but Curlin, though he didn't win it did run in the Haskell too. LAL would make 4 in a row to hit those two races and be a champ.

Dahoss 09-20-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 697570)
Agreed, but Curlin, though he didn't win it did run in the Haskell too. LAL would make 4 in a row to hit those two races and be a champ.

Considering they are two of the more important races for 3 year olds it makes sense.

Dahoss 09-20-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 697568)
LOL the JCGC and Classic wont be enough? Are you insane?
I

Here's what Einstein said about insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

So let's put that to use. You've been banned here repeatedly for acting like an idiot. Yet, everytime you come back you do the same things and get booted again.

So which one of us would be considered insane?

Indian Charlie 09-20-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697575)
Here's what Einstein said about insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

So let's put that to use. You've been banned here repeatedly for acting like an idiot. Yet, everytime you come back you do the same things and get booted again.

So which one of us would be considered insane?

You are insane.

PG is just dumb.

:)

Dahoss 09-20-2010 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 697592)
You are insane.

PG is just dumb.

:)

You're probably right.

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-20-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 697568)
LOL the JCGC and Classic wont be enough? Are you insane?
I

listen you fat tub of goo..for someone who is scared of him..'he threatned me my family my job.[walmart can get a new greeter] why must you follow hoss around and quote everything he says and say hes wrong ect.. shut the phuck up and do something new.. read and dont write..

Travis Stone 09-21-2010 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 697462)
At least it has cooled off in September. Nothing says fall is coming like 100 degree days.

We're in summer round two. It's brutal. I felt like a jock in the sweatbox yesterday playing golf.


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