Woodbine Harness - 12-01-08
 

For those of you who can wager on Canadien harness racing, there is definitely some value in a lot of their pools. The tri's and super's are bet heavily as well as multi-race bets.

Here are some facts you need to know about WOODBINE HARNESS

Top three drivers: Waples, Zeron, and Baillargeon
Top three trainers: Mcmaster, Fellows, Baillargeon

Some of there races are 7/8 of a mile and not a full mile so ignore times in those races.

Post position does not matter much at this track. Position on the back stretch does not matter much at all either. Horses can swing 7 to 8 wide and win.

Race 1:

#1 - Thy Worthys JWL (A.Macdonald) looks like a nice play at 7-1 morning line. The knock would be never racing over the Woodbine surface.

#4 - Summerhill Abra (Waples) is going to be the definite favorite in the race, but I think there are reasons to play against her. The top being never bet anything less than 2-1 in a trot race with horses who don't like to win.

Race 2:

#2 - Itsallaboutwinning (Baillargeon) seems to be the likely winner in this field. After being very consistent around 1:54 he took a step back last race, but I think he can rebound nicely.

#7 - Mighty Me (Wassilyn) would bode my support, but I don't bet horses with inexperienced drivers. Watch the odds though, might deserve a decent show bet.

Race 3:

#10 - Always Dreaming (Waples) looks like a nice bet from the outside post. Ouellette gets off and this horse is coming back from (Lon), but I think the 1:57's she was running are good enough here.

#3 - Yazuka Hall (Ouellette) looks like a real nice longshot possibility after qualifying here a couple weeks ago. With a lifetime best of 1:54.4 over this track, watchout. That could win easy if she touches that number


If anyone is interested I will post more selections as the night goes on. Let me know if you like my harness analysis or any suggestions that can help me.

http://runningacesharness.blogspot.com

Race 1
 

Race 1 Results:

4 - $3.20 $2.70 $2.20
1 - $4.60 $3.10
6 - $3.80

$14.00 Exacta if you played my numbers.

$79.90 Trifecta if you added the #6

Race 2
 

Race 2 Results:

7 - $26.10 $12.90 $6.10
3 - $4.50 $3.00
4 - $5.80

My second choice came through bigtime at long odds, and the exacta with the 2nd choice 2nd was $120.60

Hey Lazerus....there is a Non-Thoroughbred forum for this stuff.

Where do you get PP's....
 

thx :$:

I/L

Hey friend:) What if the race we are betting is a 7/8 mile? And all the horses running in the race are coming out of a 7/8 mile race? Do we still ignore those times?

If "you" are handicapping yes.
:)

Monday night has minimal thoroughbred's, so what's a couple harness pick's going to hurt.


Maybe you can't handle two different forms of the sport in one evening. ;)

OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think Dan knows who the f*ck I am...

Who are you?

You could at least let me know in a PM who you are if you knock my posts everyday I put one up.

He will learn tomorrow, when the BARON OF BALMORAL makes his long awaited triumphed return!

and harness picks don't hurt anything...just put them in the right forum.

7th forum down...its titled "NON-THOROUGHBRED RACING"

Who I am doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. What does matter around here is this that YOU posted this on Nov. 11th.

I am live in the Pick 4 also, I just forgot to put the 6 horse in my previous post. My mistake.

I appreciate the comments.

The #8 horse at 6-1 looks like good value

That is just not tolerated real well around here. I hope I have made my point and I am done harrasing you. But...just some friendly advice...next time you "accidently" leave a horse out like that...keep it to yourself, smile and enjoy the winner on your own.

Perfectly fine! You are taking that post on my first day on this web site too much too heart.

Do you think I care if you bet that ticket? (Not Really) I like to get input and criticism about my choices, but the manner in which you comment and some others do is just unfair to the newer people on this site. It's obvious that you all on here have your buddies and established relationships, but "come on". How do you ever expect newcomers to become comfortable when you rag on them for every mistake?

I post my selections and my opinions for the people who do want to help me become a better handicapper. There is no reason to make some of the comments people do on this blog.

Like I said back then, I still hit the Pick 3. I left the horse out in the Pick 4 because I didn't have my sheets in front of me and forgot that number in that leg. It was an honest mistake and it has only happened that "one" time. Check back on everything else.

What is wrong with 6-1??

Oh Man, How sweet would a GPK vs.TD - loser leaves forever match be! Tuesday night - Balmoral



LET'S GET IT ON!!!!

You don't care if I bet that ticket??:rolleyes: Don't worry friend...I have never played anyone elses "tickets" on here either. I do my own work and handicapping. There are a few select others in here that I may ask their opinion...but ultimately, I play only my tickets. If I lose, I wan't it to be my fault, not someone elses.

6-1 has nothing to do with anything. I know it has only happened "one" time, but rest assured the quickest way to lose any of the credibilty you are/were trying to establish around here is to "forget" like that.

It doesn't say anywhere in the main forum under the "Selections" heading (ONLY-THOROUGHBRED)

Didn't realize you were dragged into this. And yes...PLENTY of my friends on here ragged me about English Channel...but everything said was in good fun.

Lighten up and get laid huh?? Ok...thanks:rolleyes:

Not everyone on Derby Trail appreciates harness racing. I happen to enjoy it myself. We try and keep the harness selections in this forum here:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

Uhhh....It was a joke. :rolleyes:

And the comments I have made to Dan have affected you how?

Dan, That is a very poor attitude to take there. You talk about newcomers looking at and posting selections. What if there was a newbie or even a regular that decide to piggy back your play? They are dead and all of a sudden you post (probably a legitimate mistake) that you just forgot a horse in a prior leg and still alive in the play. Not to mention that it was one of (maybe even your) first posts. It's a creditability thing. You are aggressively pushing your blog (nothing wrong with that) and then adding horses to pick 4's after the race. Like Kev said, you should have just silently cashed that ticket. It was a little over the top in your first day.
As far as the ragging goes, you brought a little on yourself with some of your little comments. You hit an exacta at Woodbine, then you state if you picked the 3rd horse that you didn't tout you would have had the tri. A horse that you picked paid 26 bucks (great) but if you had the 2nd choice (another you didn't tout) you would have had a big exacta. You want to post picks, that's fine and welcomed. You want to give analysis that's fine too. But don't try to hook up payoffs to horses that you didn't pick/play and say that if you did play it you would have hit the race. That's just not right. No one expects you to pick winners every race. One other thing, what's with the $84 dollar tri ticket on a 5k claimer at the Mountain. Come on! Just turn it down just a notch and you will be fine. Everyone one loves input around here, you just happened to get off on the wrong foot.

^^nicer guy than me:)

^^^^Got laid the other night! ;)

If getting laid causes me to lighten up, I should be comatose by tomorrow night.

I let Hossy do the interrogation!

Hes still downloading:D

I have made more money betting Mcl5k races at Mountaineer than some races with great horses.

Again, I want to reiterate this to all of you. I am not the most experienced handicapper on this blog and I'm not even close to that, but I get a lot of inciteful comments from people on how to improve what I do. I do appreciate the fact that you think betting $84 on trifecta's at Mountaineer is too much. That is more helpful than making a mockery of my first post on the selections portion of this site. I will quietly cash my tickets as I usually do from now on. I just think the manner in which some of the comments I receive on this site are inappropriate for what I have contributed. All, I post is my picks. I hope you visit my blog, but it's not the reason I joined this site. I joined because I love to talk horses and the person who referred me, told me that most of the people who contribute to the forum's know their horses and horse racing better than I do.

I hope that people can get over a small mistake and I will not take credit for that small ticket. It paid nothing anyways. I take more credit for the ones on my blog that require the tax man, but I make a living right now as a teller.

I enjoy input from all of you, but you all need to realize where I am coming from in this situation. Help me by criticizing my choices. Not by the way I post. I have things to learn and I will take your opinions to heart as well.

Best of luck!

So you really didn't like all my ramblings about English Channel?:(

Dan, there are really so many knowledgable people around here. I have learned so much since I have been here. Just wait, I noticed that you mentioned Tampa on your blog. There is a group that lives for that meet, just watch and you will be amazed. As far as that initial pick 4. Posting picks around here is a very serious thing. First it takes balls to put your picks out there for everyone to see. Sometimes you will take some crap, like before when you posted those big tickets, hit the exacta and tri and still lost money. But when you do hit most of the time people will appreciate it and give you the credit that's deserved. It's tough enough when you are trying to cap cards and get bets in. Add in posting the picks and it complicates things a little more. That's why it's appreciated so much. Listen it didn't matter if you were here 1 day or 1000 days, anyone who would have added a horse to bring a dead ticket back to life would have taken some sort of crap. But like I said, keep posting. But more importantly pay attention and you will become a better handicapper. There are a lot of extremley talented people around here. There a little crazy but still extremley talented!

:tro:

you need help:zz:

It's early in the am, but did somebody say something?

:$: :$:

Dan,

Don't let these people get you down, keep on plugging away. Could you post Greyhound picks for Jacksonville?

I have always been interested in the hounds, but don't bet them a whole lot online. People have told me to chart them, but I can't find the time try.