Discreet Treasure
 

Nice looking debut win at Belmont today for a half sibling to the freakisly talented Discreet Cat.

Came from well off the pace to win by about 12 easy lengths.

Discreet Treasure
 

Half to Discreet Cat and Pretty Wild crushed his opponents in his debut today at Belmont. The time was nothing spectacular and he got a hot pace to run into, but he broke badly, appeared to be a little green, yet won by double digits and looked like he could've done three more laps around the track.

I'd like to see what he has on turf.

I think he was acting up in the paddock pretty bad also....Who are the connections??

No surprise that he enjoyed the off going...

Robsham/Hough. I think Sheikh Mo has them on speed dial.

Same ones that bred and owned Discreet Cat before he was sold.

looks like there'll be a high demand for tube socks tonight.

And, MORE IMPORTANTLY, he still has his NUTS. Which comes 1st: they sell him or Hough gelds him?

I heard his mom hate the slop

I told you the story about his mom before the alabama, right?

I will be surprised to see this horse win another race on the dirt provided the track is fast. If anything, he will prove a turf horse. First of all, you have to assume that a half to Discreet Cat would not have been entered on the turf for its debut if the connections really felt he was a dirt horse. Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

I hope this horse makes his second start on the dirt at Saratoga, and the track is dry, so I can bet against him with confidence.

I completely dont get the bolded.
Need some help. Because he is the same color as his sire,
he must be more like his sire in other ways also?

Is that what this means?

If so, it is horribly wrong, even with the probably.

Did you have to spoil your valid points with a silly comment like that?

Why, was his mom a grey?

I assume you must mean the old "bet a grey on a rainy day" angle.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it silly.

Even the dosage index people will mock you on this one.

Please link me to someone who does understand it - and let me read their explanation and evidence.

Plenty of people will agree with what I posted, which doesn't make it right, but I guess I have to admit that your position is strengthened by the support from one of the most clueless posters on this site.

I couldn't care less who agrees or disagrees.

I've been around way too long and looked at way too many horses and pedigrees to buy into something like that - and I'm shocked beyond belief you seem to buy into it to some extent.

The examples could go on for hundreds of pages.

Look at a horse like Kip Deville - who's like the consensus top turf horse in the land right now. He's a Roan.

KD's sire Kipling is a bay and his dam Klondike Kaytie is a roan.

He took after his dam in color. She was 17-for-47 lifetime in dirt sprints, 3-for-13 lifetime in dirt routes, and never once hit the board in 3 career turf starts. Her figures were much better on dirt - and her siblings all failed in their turf races.

He didn't take after his sires color - but his sire was 2-for-5 on turf, 3-for-22 on dirt, and bred for turf on top and bottom.

Using a horse that is basically a freak to back up your side of the argument really strengths your case.

I just used him because he's the consensus #1 ranked turf horse right now - and he's a grey who has one grey parent and one non-grey parent.

Like I said - we could go on for hundreds of pages with this.

I'd just like a link with an explanation and evidence.

You would like a link?

Unlike you, I actually learn a lot from talking to educated people at the racetrack. I know you're only like thirteen, and don't understand the world outside of the internet, but most people don't talk in links.

There are a lot of different theories, many without links even, and there is usually a differing amount of validity to them, but just because you ( or I ) don't necessarily agree with them doesn't make them compltely discountable.

You would like a link. Funny stuff.

I think the horse beat a horrendous field. He had a long break in has published works, his fastest work was in Jan in fla. then they had to stop and got him going again 5 months later. Perhaps that will be the issue that makes him a bet against. He is a real large colt and very good looking, the whole family from the mare has been good with of course the brilliant Discreet Cat and the early ok half sisters have since been bred and produced immediately. Apparently the colt has a lot going for him. I believe that the idea that all trainers only start them on turf if they are slow is a bit over rated some trainers think its a better way to introduce young horses to the sport then the main track. A half to Disreet Cat who the owner grabbed 5 mil for after a main track romp didn't make a bunch of sense debutting on grass.

Well the horse already has any appointment with mares in the future. He is only racing now to see which ones he will be attending to in a 18 months the special ones or the ones could have been special.

Stick up your nose and go to the off-topic smack card all you want.

I just want to hear a rational case made for what you said.

The original comment was about a horse sired by El Prado.

None of El Prado's best offspring (Artie Schiller, Kitten's Joy, Medeglia D' Oro, and Borrego) were grey.

However, his millionaire son Chindi was a grey with identical color.

Chindi was 77-18-13-23 lifetime on the dirt - with earnings of over 998K.

He ran 4 times on turf - and never once hit the board.

Discreet Treasure is bred for turf on top and bottom - and is very much likely to be a better turf horse. However, I just don't believe that has anything to do with his sires skin color.

Link that explains some of points on horse color
 

this is highly entertaining.

Yeah...in the same sense of watching the geeks on the debate team in high school:rolleyes:

I would too actually...

Chindi was such a neat horse!

I used to engage in sexual relations with a hot debate chix..sex was fun..."I'm cuming" No you aren't" back and forth it was quite the blast.

Intelligent, geeky chicks are sexy.

It was the old wet Robsham silks angle..

Anyone know what beyer this horse earned?

Yes, I'm sure at least someone does.

Witty.

The man likes to be right.

He has been handicapping and betting for years,
and is obviously very good at it. So I guess it does no harm in
righting a very obvious wrong.

I dont think this complete lack of understanding in what we
know about heredity now, has created a problem thus far.

A real renaissance man.

Its hard to learn "new" ideas when one gets older, I have experienced
this. Or maybe one of my favorite quotes might apply here:
Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

An interesting side note is there are 3 big reasons why male offspring
should be more like their mothers(dams) genetically than the fathers (sires).
No links required. Just science as we know it now, not caveman stuff.

If there are any breeders on this board that
adhere to BTW priniciples, you got a business based
on 18th century genetics. Kinda scary.

It is a popular belief in horseracing that color and markings hint at passing on surface preference.

IIRC in "the works" show for the 2007 bc juvy, the guy was talking about how Wicked Style had socks similar to Trempolino, so that meant he was likely better on turf...

Discreet Treasure is already a three year old. It took a long time to get this one to the racetrack in the afternnon. Hopefully he more robust than his half brother. ElPrado is a good grass sire so I'd prefer to see this one run on the grass. At least we know he can handle the dirt when a race is washed off the turf.