Im not speaking, Im typing.

And I did not see your post before the race. So I apoligize and will add I think pedigree analysis on horses that have already run races is analysis that involves really reaching if you have to use it to handicap a race that is tough. If you have to use pedigree analysis as a final tool to decide who will win a race or who is to be bet on, you should not be betting on that race imo.

Too many people write about pedigrees and have not a flippin clue as to what genetics is all about. Well I do know genetics, and this pedigree stuff looks like a great hobby for playing breeder and getting a clue for first timers, but WAY over used and silly if you really understand genetics.

And since you know genetics I have another question that I have yet seen answered by any pedigree person:

Why, genetically speaking, should the dam theoretically have more influence on the stamina of its offspring? Why? Since you know pedigrees, lets see how much you know about genetics and cell biology. Because you have to understand these or your pedigree stuff is astrology.

Good for you I am glad you Know Genetics. That and 75 Cents will get you a cup of coffee. You know what I know Horses and If you would have read the beginning of my post you would have seen that. I was simply stating a couple of facts on CQ's dams side.

Take your Genetics to the betting windows and lets see how well you do.

No answer. Uses pedigrees, does not even know genetics. And thats exactly why I dont take my genetics to the betting window, its way too difficult to transfer into performance. But you are able to do this...? And make money off it. No way.

Were in the world are you getting this I have never said that. Sure I use Pedigrees on Occassion But were in the World Did I say I make Money doing it this way. Your trying to put words into my mouth.

Just like Jazil and Bob And John have the same cross but different families. Jazil's family is more stamina oriented and it shows.

Here are the first couple of lines from my Orginal Statement.


OK Guys CQ will be somewhere in the line of 4/5 or less. LEt me tell you a couple of reasons why I think CQ is a bet Against.

A. I have seen to many young horses over the years that have a tremendous turn of foot Sprinting only to not show that same turn of foot around 2 turns and CQ kind of reminds me of that type of horse.


B. I am not as sold as some of you guys who think CQ has a pedigree that will stretch out. And heres why 1st off CQ is out of Circle of LIfe who made 10 Lifetime Starts with a record of 10---3-1-2 of those 10 starts 4 were made running a route of ground her record in those races were 4----0-0-2 and Sprinting COL had a record of 5----3-1-0.


Read A really well that is what I thought of his races
B is just what I read Into His pedigree that he would not go long

I must admit Oracle, being from New York I like your bravado, but your handicapping is primitive at best, and non-existent on its face. Yet it is your slamming of other posters with your prattle filled posts that is particularly annoying.

Just this thread you stated that: Great Hunter is one-paced, yet as a 2yo he has passed thirty horses in his six races! Hello!

Also you posted "horses with a burst of accelleration are screwed". Brilliant again.

As far as Marty McGee; years ago when I kept books, typed up owners' bills and many other duties for many Keeneland trainers such as "Rusty" Arnold, Neil Howard, Steve Penrod and others, Marty McGee would come around and I tried to teach him a bit of handicapping. Alas, he is a nice guy, but never learned much. If it wasn't for his connections, he would be in deep water.

I wish you no ill will, but be aware, your cappin needs a ton of work. BBB

Well, CQ had a wider trip than the winner so it was closer than the final margin. I thought he looked ok.

Sorry then. I got the wrong Pedigree person. May have to go back and read Pedigree ann. I thought when you wrote your cup of coffee statement you did take your pedigree stuff to the window and win. My bad. As they say.

But I will say this. If I were really into looking into endurance in a horse I would look much more closely at the Dams side that the other way. And I have some reasons for this. Do you have reasons why when you say you disagree that a pedigree does not indicate to you a horse will "stretch out"?

Well, I must praise the Lord that you have appeared to pass along His judgement on all which is either brilliant, primitive or annoying, PRAISE be.

I'm sure Marty McGee has much to be thankful to you for as well.

How in the world can you determine and judge that someon's handicapping is worthy of you not slinging sh1t about it?

Guys like you who show up on message boards and toss around "insider" remarks and claim superiority crack me up.

Let me put it this way... if your ability was so superior, none of us would know who Hank Goldberg is. Think about that.

Are you implying Hank wasn't hired for his camera presence?

Actually I wish that I didn't know who Hank Goldberg is !!!

Actually he may have. While he is stuffing his face with hot dogs, he becomes fodder for Kenny Maine. Which can be very amusing. The Hammer hit a pik 4 though.

So there is an obvious polytrack angle that you didn't bet but are pointing out after the race? And you call me a redboarder? Give me a break. I said before the race Great Hunter was the better horse and would beat him and that is exactly what happened.

Sure Pgardn
I deal with alot of horses every year I will have close to 100 yearlings breaking and training by the mid Nov. I have dealt with these kind of Numbers for years. I watch these horses everyday from the time we start breaking them until I send them to the races or through a sale. It is just something that is really hard to explain after watching a horse train, breeze sometimes you can just tell that this horse will be a sprinter or this horse wants to run on obviously I am not always right. I quess you could say it is just a feeling I get.

Heck it is kind of neat I have already recieved phone calls from owners wondering what I think about there yearlings just the other day I said give me a few more weeks the rider has only been on his back for a few days now.:D

The only polytrack angle i see is when a surface is first raced over, off the pace runners have the edge until the surface tightens up. then the bias goes pooof.

I have a question for you...

Did/are/will you play serious money on Keeneland Polytrack races where none of the horses have any form over the surface?

I suppose it's fine to take whatever you can afford to bet and gamble on Keeneland opening week, but to me it's really pure gambling since it's impossible IMO to handicap a race where all or nearly all of the contestants have run on the type of surface Keeneland now has.

There's nothing wrong I guess with purely gambling on Polytrack races this early in the meet but I personally wouldn't confuse doing so with solid handicapping and serious wagering.

good luck.

I've been capping it as if it is a surface that plays to dirt and turf horses and that has been working quite well. I thought Great Hunter was the best horse in the race so I played him. I thought Asi Siempre was the best horse in the race so I played her. Didn't matter that one was a dirt horse and one a turf horse because it seems to play equally to horses from both surfaces. I actually like it, I got killed at Saratoga this year playing all the NY breds and claimers going to the turf for their first time and having to guess based on their pedigree whether or not they will move up. With polytrack you can assume dirt and turf horses will take to it. The real nightmare, in my opinion, is figuring out what horses that have only run on poly like the dirt and which like the turf.

thanks...

It's not for me, at least for now. But good luck....

Nothing like a good eye and experience. very useful. Wish I had the chance to see young ones run more often.