Dutrow to Cali
 

Cause of course I know nothing


Dutrow is sending a string of horse to Cali to train at hollywood

some of you have no clue about peoples knowledge that just makes me laugh that some people are so caught up in themselves that if they would stop and listen for a minute they might learn a little bit and not sound ignorant:D

Ehh, I don't know about that one. Call me naive, but I think if he had made The Dwyer like they originally wanted him to, we would've seen him in the BCC. But off one seven-furlong start and one one-turn mile start against strictly 3-year-olds, that's a lot to ask of a horse to run him at ten furlongs against a full field in the toughest dirt race on earth. Even a horse this good.

Does anyone know if they will have tri betting for the Jerome???

Should be a nice betting race after the 1/5 u get on Discreet Cat

2nd and 3rd could be 8/1 or higher

He'll be 1/9 at best.

And yes, there is trifecta wagering at the moment, but I'm guessing someone will scratch and make it an even worse betting race.

Discreet Cat's BC Plans Announced
 

Following the preliminaries to Discreet Cat's guaranteed victory in today's Jerome Handicap at Belmont over such luminaries as Nar and Quietly Go Goldolphin Stables, in their usually " throw caution to the wind " style, have announced an ambitious assault on this year's BC. They have contacted BC officials, who were more than willing to reshuffle the sequence of races in order to accomodate the man who filled the coffers of all breeders, and subsequently will be running Discreet Cat in the BC Sprint ( now the first race ), the BC Mile ( now the 4th race ) and either the BC Turf or the BC Classic.

While this aggressive schedule may seem unrealistic to some it is hardly surprising for both a horse so obviously better than any horse that ever lived and for as daring a stable as Godolphin. While they recognized that Discreet Cat would be making as many starts on November 4th as many of their charges make in a lifetime the Sheik was quick to point out " Special horses demand special situations ". In this time of shortened careers and careful placing this writer is proud to see the Sheik stepping out from the crowd.

Garrett Gomez, Discreet Cat's rider, was quick to point out that the BC Sprint was really going to take no more effort than Discreet Cat's normal prerace warmup. Thus he will be well warmed up for the BC Mile, and as Gomez said, we all know he is equally good on all surfaces. Thus both races will be mere cakewalks for this proven superstar.

While Godolphin is expected to then hold out for the Classic, there are some that believe Discreet Cat will run in the BC Turf simply to keep their options open for then returning in the Classic. As for those that think they will skip the Classic just to allow their other star, Bernardini, win that race, the Sheik scoffed at that notion. " Why would we allow an inferior beast such as Bernardini to steal the limelight from his obviously superior stablemate? "

I, for one, can hardly wait.

Hilarious. I may print that out to hang up near my desk.

I'd love to see them eat a super-sized slice of "humble pie".

shame they aren't running consecutively, as i'd love to bet a discreet cat/discreet cat/ discreet cat pick three. not that it would pay much, everyone would be all over him...

That was pretty funny BTW...

even if he won all three it would only pay like $20 on the PK 4



I would still give my LEFT NUT to own him!

andy you have outdone yourself...LMAO

This post has helped me to see the stupidity of my thinking. What this sport needs more of is people without imagination. We need more people to stick with the traditional ways and to stop thinking outside of the box. We need to stop running fillies against the boys. That's stupid. Forget about what Winning Colors, Lady's Secret, Personal Ensign, and Serena's Song did. Girls shouldn't run against the boys. Pride has NO CHANCE of beating out Hurricane Run, Shirocco, and Deep Impact today in the Arc. Instead, she needs to be in the Prix Opera. Girls against girls, boys against boys. What else? Oh yeah, horses should NEVER switch surfaces because when u are good on one, u need to stay on that one because u can't be good on another. I wish the trainers of horses like Lava Man, John Henry, Giant's Causeway, and Secretariat would understand this simple truth. What else? Well, while we are at it, 3yo's shouldn't run against older. There are too many races for 3yo's to stick with their own kind and it makes no sense to step outside of their division. Guys like Neil Drysdale and Andre Fabre are obviously idiots. I mean, didn't Drysdale realize that Prized was a really good dirt horse, good enough to beat Sunday Silence in the Swaps? What was he thinking when he put Prized in the BC Turf as his grass debut? That Prized WON the race is irrelevant. It was a dumb move. And Fabre is really stupid. I mean he took a horse named Jolypha and ran her against just about EVERY logical training edict there is. To start, Jolypha was a multiple grade one winning, champion 3yo filly in France. So what does Fabre do with her? He ships her across the Atlantic to run her against males (older ones at that) in the BC Classic, her first start on dirt. It doesn't get more ridiculous than this does it? That she finished third, only beaten 1/2 length by our champion older male is irrelevant. It was a stupid idea to try it.

My point here? I guess I really don't have one. By his comments, I know I partly inspired BTW to write this post. It was actually pretty well written and pretty funny. But what is so wrong about me suggesting that it would be a good idea to run Discreet Cat in the BC Mile? Sure it would be his first start on grass but if he's really supposed to be an extraordinary horse, as I believe he is, shouldn't he be able to do extraordinary things? Prized could switch over with no problems. Giant's Causeway, Sakhee, Johannesburg, Arazi, Sheikh Albadou, Dayjur, Arcangues, Ibn Bey.....all horses that made their debut on a new surface in a BC race and either won or ran in the money. Why can't Discreet Cat do it? We know that the mile distance would probably be perfect for him. If he's good enough, they could win BC races with him and Bernardini and never have to run them against each other. Wouldn't that be ideal for them? Why is it such a silly idea?

King, I like your style. I think it was just supposed to be funny but it made the person that wrote it look like they have been living in a box.

Yes, King Glorious, it is, of course, all about you. The Sheik, in fact, mentioned you in the press conference. Of course, and I know you understand this, I left you out so as not to steal thunder from this momentous occasion.

I did, however, credit you to my editor.

"Valid Notebook, in an all out drive to hold 2nd"

I'd like to know which race Durkin was watching.

If Godolphin doesnt send this guy in the BC Sprint, it may be the worst move by an owner that I've seen in a while. He would OWN that race...

If they send him to the sprint, it may be the dumbest move ever by an owner.

Best horse I have ever seen run and i watch this stuff all day everyday. Those were not slow horses he beat

This just in....NYRA has altered the conditions of today's finale and in a twisted BC prep Discreet Cat will be running in the 10th.

For purse money only of course.

You just can't stand watching a super horse, that is sad

True he's Classic material!!!

I agree. Racing to the lead in 22.88 is different than being pressured in 21.40 I don't think he has the natural speed to contend with the best sprinters in the world.

BTW, I am not sure what u are getting at when u say it's all about me. I'm asking a simple question here. Why is it so wrong to think outside of traditional paths when may have a horse of a generation?

There will be no serious conversation allowed in this thread!

He doesnt have to be on the lead. He is as effective 5 lengths or so off the pace, which is where he'd be if he ran the fractions he ran today. What an amazing talent, hope he enters in a race with some meaning in it. Otherwise he'll just be another "What if".

Dont make me get Bethani in here to take care of you guys...:D

My point was mistaken.

This horse is something special. But he's also fragile and lightly-raced. Running him in any BC race, be it the Sprint, Mile, Classic, whatever, is ridiculous off of wins over Rumspringa and Valid Notebook.

Do any of you realize how much that would put this potential superstar through the wringer? And why? So we get immediate satisfaction.

Can we please think bigger picture here? If this horse stays healthy (given that's a big if), we could possibly see the best handicap horse in a few decades next year.. But no, we have to see him in the SPRINT against the BEST SPRINTERS IN THE WORLD, or in the CLASSIC against the BEST DISTANCE HORSES IN THE WORLD, and we have to see it NOW.

It's totally short-sighted and unnecessary. I think Godolphin is doing what's right by the horse, and honestly, as much as everyone dislikes the Sheiks, they seem to be among the best at managing their horses in the U.S.

I very much doubt we'll see either Joey. No BC, yet not a horse likely to be around for a long time either. I hope I am wrong, its nice to see top talent but it seems the most talented are also the most fragile, a la Surf Cat, Ghostzapper.

Anyway you slice it next Saturday will be super and so will the BC.

I guess where we disagree is how much of a factor the competition he faces matters. I think if he's going to run in the Cigar Mile a few weeks after the BC, where he would face much better than he's been facing in these last two, including maybe Silver Train, it's going to take a strong effort for him to win. What is the difference if he's putting in a strong effort in the Cigar or in the BC?

If he's as fragile as u say (and I'm not saying he isn't), then what makes u think we'll see anything resembling a full campaign from him next year? Or would it be enough for u to see a Ghostzapper type of year from him where he races four times? I say that tomorrow is not promised and when u have a hot iron, u strike. If he's as fragile as u say, wouldn't that be even more of a reason to take advantage of his abilities while he's in form and healthy because it's always going to be 50/50 next year?

I wonder if anyone on this board is old enough to remember when horses actually RACED. Now we are talking about skipping a tough race because it would be too tough on him? If he continues on next year, it's very likely that they will point to the Dubai World Cup with him. U don't expect that race to be tough? It would probably be his first start at 10f and first or second start off a layoff.

I just got off the phone with the Sheik......



I tried to ask him about Discreet Cat....



He would have none of it!





He, of course, was merely calling to wish me all the best on Yom Kippur.

I read this on another board so I can't take credit for it but it does make sense:

"There is also the aspect that by giving the public Discreet Cat vs Bernardini in the BC Classic they are validating that as the biggest dirt race in the world. If instead Bernardini wins the Classic and meets an undefeated Discreet Cat in the World Cup you could call that the biggest dirt race in the World and to make matters even better for them it would be Coolmore free."

You, my friend, have a lot of atoning to do for sabotaging my thread.

it's kind of a shame tho, to see that talent wasted on allowance fields, and in the jerome today. he looked good, best performance i've seen in some time.

yeah, i agree skipping the bc this year would be in the best interests of the horse--but i'm not so sure that would translate into more of him next year either....

U say u think that they are doing what's right by the horse. Well let me show u something that I just read on a racing site:

"We'll keep our options open for the Breeders' Cup or Cigar Mile," bin Suroor added. "This horse has the class to run in big group I races. Everything we've asked, he's done so easily. That gives us a lot of confidence for the future. We'll probably give it 10 days, and then decide with Sheikh Mohammed (bin Rashid al Maktoum)."

So my question is would u still think they are doing right by him if they run him in the BC? They've been constantly saying that it's very unlikely but now finally they are saying they are keeping their options open. The door is now opened much wider than it was before. Since u say they are doing right by him and they are among the best at managing their horses, would u backtrack off of that statement if they do contrary to what u believe is best or would still say the same thing?

Excerpt.....

"He has the class to go to Grade One races now. There is either the Breeders' Cup Classic (Churchill Downs) in early November or the Cigar Mile (Aqueduct) at the end of that month. We will keep the options open and consult with Sheikh Mohammed." - Saeed bin Suroor


http://godolphin.com/News/2006/October/arch2989.asp

I wonder if anyone on this board is old enough to remember when horses actually RACED.

I do. It was a wonderful time and not too long ago we were spoiled by horses like Cigar and Skip Away.

I couldnt agree more with the comments regarding that it makes little difference whether or not Discreet Cat has a taxing effort in the BC Sprint versus the Cigar Mile. After all, Silver Train is no slouch and will at least make the horse work a bit.

Well, at least we have the Vosburgh!

I want to see him in the Cigar Mile, take the rest of the winter off, and then go into a prep for the Met Mile next year, the Met Mile, all of the big summer/fall GIs, the BC Classic, and then HOY!!!

There is zero chance IMO that he ends up in the Classic if Bernardini goes. None.

I would backtrack a bit, just because in my opinion, he's not ready to go into the BCS or the BCC, but I don't think they're going to try a BC race unless the horse is 100% ready both physically and mentally. If he goes in either, I have to believe they know what they're doing, because, like I said, I feel that they're among the best at managing their horses.

Okay.. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that it's going to take a much more taxing performance to run six furlongs against a full field of the best sprinters in the world or ten furlongs against a full field of the best distance dirt horses in the world off of five weeks' rest than it would take to run against six or seven mid-level Grade 1 horses at a mile off eight weeks' rest. I guess that's just me. You seem two think the two would be equally strenuous.

That's my point. I'm of the mind that if he skips the BC this year, he will have a much better shot of having a full campaign next year than he would were they to force him into the BC now. Could he still get injured next year? Of course, but I think considering his fragility, common sense should steer them away from this year's BC if they do indeed have intentions on running him as a 4-year-old.

Give me a break. The horse beat Rumspringa at seven furlongs and Valid Notebook at a one-turn mile. Those are his two starts since March. YOU WANT TO RUN HIM AGAINST THE BEST DIRT HORSES IN THE WORLD OFF OF THOSE TWO RACES. You're suggesting that it's some outlandish idea to skip the race, when I think it's ludicrous to run in the race.

That's what I'd like to see as well.

And for the record, if he does run in a BC race, I think the Classic makes more sense, just because I feel that going from seven furlongs to eight to ten is much easier than going from seven to eight, then back to six, when you're talking about this caliber of competition.

As fragile as DC is, I really feel like the speed required for the Sprint, and the distance of the Classic may be a step too far for this phenomenal horse off of an eight furlong race.