Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)

There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

In our case, our stakes coordinator became very sick this summer and missed a lot of time. He's back at work, is a stand-up guy and I wish him the best.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)

There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 696967)

There's a huge alternative to altering the traditional calendar placement of the Super Derby (the name alone connotes that it should be more important than all those other Derbies you listed)...

...bring back the $1 million purse.

It was the only reason the race was popular to begin with.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 696809)

this has been going on for years, with horses dodging each other for most of the season, if not all of it. it's why last years rachel campaign got so much buzz. it seems the only race this year where some of the best faced off was blame vs quality road.
but hey, if zenyatta gets a pass for racing nobodies all year, i guess lookin at lucky can do the same. baffert knows all he has to do is get to the bc in one piece and the 3 yo eclipse is his.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)

There are too many "Derbies" for this time of year. Indiana, Super, Pennsylvania, Remington... they all compete for the same depleted horse flesh.

In our case, our stakes coordinator became very sick this summer and missed a lot of time. He's back at work, is a stand-up guy and I wish him the best.

That said, we're stuck at LAD. Given our schedule, the only alternative would be to run the race in October... but every Saturday in October is congested with big races at BEL, HOL/SA... so we'd have no shot to generate the handle dollars we generate on Super Derby Day during that month.

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

So some years we'll get a Blame, other years we won't... that's the spot we're in.

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 696978)

The 3yo Eclipse is his regardless.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 696780)

We could pull back into July, but the Swaps - as an example - would be the type of race we'd have, plus it's usually 105 degrees.

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 696978)

The 3yo Eclipse is his regardless.

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 697480)

I feel that Afleet Express has a shot to the title if he wins his next race and if that next race is the JCGC

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 697482)

I see what you are saying(travers + JCGC > Preakness + Haskell), but I think you'd then be discounting anything LAL did even before the TC races. That and LAL would have to fall over to lose the Indiana Derby, which won't add much to his resume, but it does add something.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 697522)

Preakness and Haskell has been the recipe for success in Eclipse voting of late.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697567)

Not really. Big Brown and Rachel Alexandra recently. However their total accomplishments during the year dwarfed their competitors.

That said, it's going to take Afleet Express winning the the JCGC and Classic to wrestle the award away from LAL. Even then it might not be enough.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697567)

Not really. Big Brown and Rachel Alexandra recently. However their total accomplishments during the year dwarfed their competitors.

That said, it's going to take Afleet Express winning the the JCGC and Classic to wrestle the award away from LAL. Even then it might not be enough.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 697570)

Agreed, but Curlin, though he didn't win it did run in the Haskell too. LAL would make 4 in a row to hit those two races and be a champ.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 697568)

LOL the JCGC and Classic wont be enough? Are you insane?
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 697575)

Here's what Einstein said about insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

So let's put that to use. You've been banned here repeatedly for acting like an idiot. Yet, everytime you come back you do the same things and get booted again.

So which one of us would be considered insane?

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 697592)

You are insane.

PG is just dumb.

:)

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 697568)

LOL the JCGC and Classic wont be enough? Are you insane?
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 697462)

At least it has cooled off in September. Nothing says fall is coming like 100 degree days.