8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

[Alan07]

9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L

[randallscott35]

:wf

[cmorioles]

That field is an embarrassment to the sport.

[cakes44]

2 career stakes wins for the entire field other than Zenyatta? Did I count that right? No wonder they "adjusted" her training schedule so they could fit this one in.

[tiggerv]

It's even worse than the Santa Margarita. At least she had to give 16lbs to Dance to My Tune in that race. :wf

[slotdirt]

Who?

[the_fat_man]

That field is an embarrassment to the sport.

So you're in it for the sport, huh? :rolleyes:

[slotdirt]

I say this only half facetiously, but I'm pretty sure Peppers Pride could handle this group with ease.

[TouchOfGrey]

At least DelMar is giiving away pint glasses...


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[Antitrust32]

9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L


weight for age? Was this ever a handicap? Z giving 2-4 pounds to these dogs is embarrassing.

[the_fat_man]

weight for age? Was this ever a handicap? Z giving 2-4 pounds to these dogs is embarrassing.

Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

[miraja2]

The only possible good that could remotely come from RA and Zenyatta beating up on the fields of cows they've faced recently is that perhaps their win streaks and/or dominant victories would build interest for their eventual meeting against each other.
Unfortunately for that theory, neither of them wins in that dominant of a fashion this year....and there proably won't be a meeting anyway.
The Haskell last week and the Whitney this week are infinitely more interesting than anything the supposed superstars in the sport this year attempt. They both bore me.

[ateamstupid]

At least DelMar is giiving away pint glasses...


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Gonna need a lot of refills in those to make this race seem interesting.

[hockey2315]

The horse Rachel beat at MTH would be 1/9 vs. this bunch w/o Z.

[slotdirt]

Is that really saying much? Anyway, whatever reasoning there was for upgrading this race from a G2 to a GI last year, it wasn't reasoning enough.

[cakes44]

Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

I get your point, but I'm surprised no one wants an easy $60k for 2nd and the grade 1 placing. Heck Zito made Andromeda's Hero(among others) a millionaire doing it in the East.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

9th (6:15) Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Princess Taylor (GB) Espinoza V 119 L
2 Made for Magic Berrio O A 121 L
3 Spring Style (IRE) Valenzuela P A 119 L
4 Dance to My Tune Flores D R 119 L
5 Zenyatta Smith M E 123 L
6 Rinterval (IRE) Bejarano R 119 L

Lets meet this star studded cast for another almost typical Zenyatta Grade 1 ....

#1 is Princess Taylor - she is currently on a 17 race losing streak and has never finished 1st or 2nd in eight career starts on synthetic. Winless since the year 2008, she does get a 4lbs weight break from Zenyatta

#2 is Made For Magic - she was claimed for $16,000 out of a race where she tanked in at Golden Gate less than one year. Since that time, she's risen to be a Grade 2 winner in Southern Cal. Less than 2 months ago she was beaten 21 lengths by Rachel Alexandra despite getting 7lbs in weight - she will only get 2lbs from Zenyatta. Omar Berrio will ride again.

#3 is Spring Style - She is 0-for-4 lifetime in stakes tries .. her last start was a 7th place finish at 11/1 odds in the restricted Osunitas Stakes at Del Mar less than two weeks ago. Back on short rest - and getting 4lbs from Zenyatta.

#4 is Dance To My Tune - She is a loser of 19 straight races - her last win coming in the year 2007. She was last seen running 7th in a field of 7 in the $62,000 Desert Stormer Stakes at Hollywood on June 12th. Will try and rebound off that last place here.

#5 is Zenyatta - She needs no introduction the world over ... even though she leaves California about as often as I leave Erie. Mike Smith has the call in her quest to go 18 for 18 over this star studded cast.

#6 is Rinterval - She has crossed the wire first just once in her last 20 career starts - however she has two wins in her last 20 starts. One coming at Turfway Park in a 50K stakes race, the other when she was smoked at Presque Isle Downs by Happy Wac ... however Happy Wac failed the post race drug test .. and was 3rd in a 5k N2L claiming race a few months later. Rinterval is in sharp form - she was 2nd in the Gr 3 Chicago Handicap at 33/1 odds last out behind Informed Decision.

[GPK]

Too bad Kickn N Screamin is retired. She coulda gave this group a run.

[Thunder Gulch]

I get your point, but I'm surprised no one wants an easy $60k for 2nd and the grade 1 placing. Heck Zito made Andromeda's Hero(among others) a millionaire doing it in the East.

That's what I was thinking..5 years from now a yearling gets the tag "out of Grade 1 placed mare who ran second to Zenyatta"

[Thunder Gulch]

Not embarrassing enough for ANYBODY with a filly/mare that can outrun a POODLE on POLY to ship out there and take all the money. Guess the winner's share of $300k is just not enough to get all those with qualifying horses to ship out there. I mean, clearly, Z ain't much and she's getting free rides. :rolleyes:

I realize there are a lot of idiots in this industry but surely SOMEONE has a horse that can take that easy $180k home. What's stopping them? I know if I had a filly/mare, I'd ship her out there for some of what St. Trinians got ( i.e, a long vacation).

Not as easy as you make it sound. Sure the competition sucks, but that trip over the Rockies is really tough.

[Indian Charlie]

Don't forget how scary the dmr surface has been to Z this meet too.

Consider it a miracle if she manages to get her footing over that track.

[geeker2]

1539

[Handicappy]

Lets meet this star studded cast for another almost typical Zenyatta Grade 1 ....

#1 is Princess Taylor - she is currently on a 17 race losing streak and has never finished 1st or 2nd in eight career starts on synthetic. Winless since the year 2008, she does get a 4lbs weight break from Zenyatta

#2 is Made For Magic - she was claimed for $16,000 out of a race where she tanked in at Golden Gate less than one year. Since that time, she's risen to be a Grade 2 winner in Southern Cal. Less than 2 months ago she was beaten 21 lengths by Rachel Alexandra despite getting 7lbs in weight - she will only get 2lbs from Zenyatta. Omar Berrio will ride again.

#3 is Spring Style - She is 0-for-4 lifetime in stakes tries .. her last start was a 7th place finish at 11/1 odds in the restricted Osunitas Stakes at Del Mar less than two weeks ago. Back on short rest - and getting 4lbs from Zenyatta.

#4 is Dance To My Tune - She is a loser of 19 straight races - her last win coming in the year 2007. She was last seen running 7th in a field of 7 in the $62,000 Desert Stormer Stakes at Hollywood on June 12th. Will try and rebound off that last place here.

#5 is Zenyatta - She needs no introduction the world over ... even though she leaves California about as often as I leave Erie. Mike Smith has the call in her quest to go 18 for 18 over this star studded cast.

#6 is Rinterval - She has crossed the wire first just once in her last 20 career starts - however she has two wins in her last 20 starts. One coming at Turfway Park in a 50K stakes race, the other when she was smoked at Presque Isle Downs by Happy Wac ... however Happy Wac failed the post race drug test .. and was 3rd in a 5k N2L claiming race a few months later. Rinterval is in sharp form - she was 2nd in the Gr 3 Chicago Handicap at 33/1 odds last out behind Informed Decision.
You have researched this well. You've confirmed she is running against less than a steller cast. But every time Zenyatta runs it always seems to go in this direction. Now folks are comparing Zenyatta with Pepper's Pride. Soon there will be the typical shots at the connections. Blah blah blah. There are even lunatics on the blog that state that Zenyatta is "not much". If I've learned one thing on this blog it is that there are always people who just have to shoot down a horse no matter what. I am saddened that Zenyatta didn't ship out here. I still hope she may before the Breeder's Cup. I would love to see her face Rachel. But that isn't Zenyatta's fault. Zenyatta shipped to Oaklawn and Rachel backed out.
But surely someone ... ANYONE here ...... can appreciate how incredible it is for a closer to consistently do as she has for this long. And if you don't, go see her in a race. Even this one that everyone is degrading. I saw her in the Ladies Classic 1 1/2 years ago. She runs with a power and a dominance that is striking.
No knock on Rachel. She had a year for the history books last year. I will enjoy watching her here. It just isn't the same.

[ateamstupid]

Message board.

[2Hot4TV]

Too bad Kickn N Screamin is retired. She coulda gave this group a run.

Priceless!

[slotdirt]

Nobody's comparing her to Pepper's Pride. However, Pepper's Pride would tower above this field.

[Thunder Gulch]

You have researched this well. You've confirmed she is running against less than a steller cast. But every time Zenyatta runs it always seems to go in this direction. Now folks are comparing Zenyatta with Pepper's Pride. Soon there will be the typical shots at the connections. Blah blah blah. There are even lunatics on the blog that state that Zenyatta is "not much". If I've learned one thing on this blog it is that there are always people who just have to shoot down a horse no matter what. I am saddened that Zenyatta didn't ship out here. I still hope she may before the Breeder's Cup. I would love to see her face Rachel. But that isn't Zenyatta's fault. Zenyatta shipped to Oaklawn and Rachel backed out.
But surely someone ... ANYONE here ...... can appreciate how incredible it is for a closer to consistently do as she has for this long. And if you don't, go see her in a race. Even this one that everyone is degrading. I saw her in the Ladies Classic 1 1/2 years ago. She runs with a power and a dominance that is striking.
No knock on Rachel. She had a year for the history books last year. I will enjoy watching her here. It just isn't the same.

Closer on synthetics or grass isn't the same as dirt. I keep saying she is the greatest synth runner in the 5 year history of synthetic tracks in America, but any objective person can see that many of her races are a joke.

[DaTruth]

Closer on synthetics or grass isn't the same as dirt. I keep saying she is the greatest synth runner in the 5 year history of synthetic tracks in America, but any objective person can see that many of her races are a joke.

But she dances before her races. Old ladies, little kids, and even some grown men blow kisses at her in the paddock. 100 people showed up at Hot Springs International Airport when she arrived there in April. That has to count for something. She is a fan favorite, and the Mosses have done all they can to expose her to as many fans as possible.*

*At least those who happen to be SoCal.

[geeker2]

Tears are optional....

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[Thunder Gulch]

But she dances before her races. Old ladies, little kids, and even some grown men blow kisses at her in the paddock. 100 people showed up at Hot Springs International Airport when she arrived there in April. That has to count for something. She is a fan favorite, and the Mosses have done all they can to expose her to as many fans as possible.*

*At least those who happen to be SoCal.

That's part of the point. The Mosses haven't tried to expose her to anyone outside of her loyal Californians. Its great for the crowd at Delmar Saturday, and its another wasted pointless effort for the sport. She could be so much more by entertaining fans around the country, but they refuse to take any chances with her perfect record. Would anyone outside of the old ladies in the paddock really rather see her face this bunch instead of having a showdown with Quality Road or Blame...I know, still banking on that one race in a few months. Meanwhile the good horses around the country are facing each other.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

That's what I was thinking..5 years from now a yearling gets the tag "out of Grade 1 placed mare who ran second to Zenyatta"

That's why they should have run the San Diego Chargers cheerleaders against her instead.

[DerbyCat]

Chuck, this may be the race to have Angry Dragon try to break her maiden....


Chuck, what do you think?




Chuck?








Chuck?

[Smooth Operator]

Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

[ateamstupid]

Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

Unfortunately those "steps" are on these stairs:

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[CSC]

Paid workout, she wins by a measured length with a solid 87 Beyer. Of note Smith who won a rare race yesterday was sitting on 1 win for the Delmar meet thus far. That might be her biggest challenge.

[Dahoss]

Paid workout, she wins by a measured length with a solid 87 Beyer. Of note Smith who won a rare race yesterday was sitting on 1 win for the Delmar meet thus far. That might be her biggest challenge.

Amazing the DRF hasn't snatched you up yet.

[CSC]

Just another step toward doing what she was born to do … run ten long panels at The Downs…

Sheriff's will have the screws tightened SO.

[CSC]

Amazing the DRF hasn't snatched you up yet.

Did I say anything that was incorrect? Smith is riding like the Eastern equivalent of Jose Lezcano and the beyer of this race will not be an overwhelming one.

[Dahoss]

Did I say anything that was incorrect? Smith is riding like the Eastern equivalent of Jose Lezcano and the beyer of this race will not be an overwhelming one.

You should be paid for your insight. That is what I am saying. You missed your calling.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Amazing the DRF hasn't snatched you up yet.

I believe they have - and he is Jay Hovdey.

[parsixfarms]

If the attendance for her last, "historic" race is a good indication, then supplies will last.

Easy, the attendance for Zenyatta's last race was about identical to the attendance for Rachel Alexandra's.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The attendance for Mission Impazible's last race was much higher than the both of them.

[TouchOfGrey]

Easy, the attendance for Zenyatta's last race was about identical to the attendance for Rachel Alexandra's.

Yeah, you would think a bobblehead giveaway would be a lot more popular than a t-shirt giveaway.

[Danzig]

this just makes me appreciate the upcoming race with blame and quality road that much more.

[slotdirt]

To be fair, the card at PID this weekend is probably more interesting than what Del Mar is running.

[alysheba4]

yeah,o.k.

[slotdirt]

yeah,o.k.

PID isn't your cup of tea? Ok, try MNR. That Saturday card might be the best betting card in the country this weekend.

[Merlinsky]

Is she wearing a habit?

Rather than come east, she's gonna go into hiding in a convent, teaching a group of misfit nuns to dance. A bunch of marketing guys from Belmont find out where she is and try to horse-nap her, but she escapes, drawing the Pope for a final grand performance at a packed cathedral and causing the crowd to proclaim that Zenyatta is evidence that God exists. Can I get an amen? ;)

[TitanSooner]

why does she HAVE to go east? why can't anyone come west? It is a grade 1 that's unrestricted, you know

[ateamstupid]

why does she HAVE to go east? why can't anyone come west? It is a grade 1 that's unrestricted, you know

False.

[TitanSooner]

False.

which part?

[slotdirt]

Definitely not "unrestricted" as I don't believe Zenyatta's gentlemen callers are allowed to participate in the Hirsch.

[TitanSooner]

Definitely not "unrestricted" as I don't believe Zenyatta's gentlemen callers are allowed to participate in the Hirsch.

um.. okay.. obviously unrestricted was the wrong term.. Any FILLY OR MARE 3yo or up could enter..

[Dahoss]

Ummm....because no one wants to run on synthetic in California unless it's the Breeders Cup?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Almost all of the best Eastern dirt horses who went out there for the two Breeders Cup races struggled with it... most of them ran too bad to be true.

But look at a race like the Pacific Classic.

* 2009: A deep closing router with a turf sire - Richard's Kid .. took forever to get through his conditions racing on the dirt at LRL and Philly Park - he goes out there and wins the Pacific Classic.

* 2008: Go Between ... an Eastern turf horse from a stictly European female family - he made his first dozen or so starts in the East. He goes out and wins the Pacific Classic.

* 2007: Student Council ... an Eastern based horse sired by Kingmambo who made his first 20 or so starts in the East goes out there and wins the Pacific Classic.

All 3 Pacific Classics on synthetic have been won by slowpoke Eastern horses with turf pedigrees.... but those aren't the kind of Eastern horses that get any respect. The dirt horses that go out to Cal and bomb are the ones who get the respect.

Horses like Richard's Kid, Student Council, and Go Between would have been murdered by So. Cal dirt horses if they shipped out to try the Pac Classic before Poly was put in.

[Antitrust32]

Rather than come east, she's gonna go into hiding in a convent, teaching a group of misfit nuns to dance. A bunch of marketing guys from Belmont find out where she is and try to horse-nap her, but she escapes, drawing the Pope for a final grand performance at a packed cathedral and causing the crowd to proclaim that Zenyatta is evidence that God exists. Can I get an amen? ;)

:tro::tro::tro:

[10 pnt move up]

Ummm....because no one wants to run on synthetic in California unless it's the Breeders Cup?

I just find this argument a little shallow, when it was on dirt I cant recall a shipper the last decade.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ecton Park, Perfect Drift, Medagla D' Oro.

[NTamm1215]

I just find this argument a little shallow, when it was on dirt I cant recall a shipper the last decade.

What about Good Reward (06), Perfect Drift (04-05), Colonial Colony (04), Medaglia d'Oro (03), and Bonus Pack (02)?

They were all eastern-based at the time they ran in the Pacific Classic pre-synthetic.

NT

[slotdirt]

Waiting for the 10 pt. argument redirection in 3, 2, 1...

[ateamstupid]

Waiting for the 10 pt. argument redirection in 3, 2, 1...

I laughed.

[10 pnt move up]

What about Good Reward (06), Perfect Drift (04-05), Colonial Colony (04), Medaglia d'Oro (03), and Bonus Pack (02)?

They were all eastern-based at the time they ran in the Pacific Classic pre-synthetic.

NT

the clement hirsch, wow who knew....no one ships out west for THIS race so the fact no one did this year supports nothing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

the clement hirsch, wow who knew....no one ships out west for THIS race so the fact no one did this year supports nothing.

Guess again.

The immortal Rinterval shipped out West for the race.

It was just last year when I watched her get smoked at PID.

[10 pnt move up]

Guess again.

The immortal Rinterval shipped out West for the race.

It was just last year when I watched her get smoked at PID.

dont remember her, was she any good?

[NTamm1215]

the clement hirsch, wow who knew....no one ships out west for THIS race so the fact no one did this year supports nothing.

Oh, so you were referring to the Hirsch, a race which included an eastern shipper as the 2nd place finisher in its last running on conventional dirt!

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

dont remember her, was she any good?

She's in against Zenyatta .. Bejarano up.

[ateamstupid]

She's in against Zenyatta .. Bejarano up.

So the answer to his question is no.

[Merlinsky]

dont remember her, was she any good?

Sure, she won the G1 Sarcasm Handicap.

[10 pnt move up]

Sure, she won the G1 Sarcasm Handicap.

is that at PID?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

is that at PID?

Yes. Happy Ticket prepped in it before shipping West and running 2nd in the Hirsch.

[10 pnt move up]

Yes. Happy Ticket prepped in it before shipping West and running 2nd in the Hirsch.

Happy Ticket, I do remember her.

Who won that race?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Happy Ticket, I do remember her.

Who won that race?

Healthy Addiction. A Sadler horse who bombed in the Distaff.

I had actually forgot about the race till NTamm mentioned it.

Guess who rode Healthy Addiction at one time ...?

Mikey Smith!!!! Yayyyyy!!!

[10 pnt move up]

Healthy Addiction. A Sadler horse who bombed in the Distaff.

I had actually forgot about the race till NTamm mentioned it.

Guess who rode Healthy Addiction at one time ...?

Mikey Smith!!!! Yayyyyy!!!

was she the 32k claim that wore brown and yellow silks? i remember now.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Love the way she teases all you maggots.

[ateamstupid]

Love the way she teases all you maggots.

And then proceeds to beat the mighty Rinterval by a desperate head. Surely she was thinking "ZOMG this'll totes get the Rachelites hopez up LOL" the whole stretch. In addition to her dance moves, she also has a sharp sense of humor too!

[kgar311]

WOW life and death to beat that nag???

[Scav]

And then proceeds to beat the mighty Rinterval by a desperate head. Surely she was thinking "ZOMG this'll totes get the Rachelites hopez up LOL" the whole stretch.

Desperate? Come on

[hockey2315]

And then proceeds to beat the mighty Rinterval by a desperate head. Surely she was thinking "ZOMG this'll totes get the Rachelites hopez up LOL" the whole stretch. In addition to her dance moves, she also has a sharp sense of humor too!

HEY! Rinterval was second to Lush Lashes in 2007 and she's GRADE I PLACED now omgomgomgomg.

[ateamstupid]

Desperate? Come on

Come on yourself.

[kgar311]

That race hands down had to of been the worst G1 field in the history of horse racing. Everyone involved in putting that race together and being apart of it should hang their heads in shame. That was NOT horse racing. It was a sham and Zenyatta was almost embarrassed.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

And then proceeds to beat the mighty Rinterval by a desperate head. Surely she was thinking "ZOMG this'll totes get the Rachelites hopez up LOL" the whole stretch. In addition to her dance moves, she also has a sharp sense of humor too!

Sheza a teasing bitch. Ain't it obvious? She loves the show.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's Polytrack... the most perverted of all the brands of synthetic.

On Cushion or Pro-Ride she beats the piss out of Rinterval and Anabaa's Creation by 4 or more very convincing lengths, instead of winning in a dog fight.

[brockguy]

She'd a fair bit tucked up her sleeve I thought. It was a shocking field but surely most people realise that some horses just put in the bare minimum to win a race.. Or am I just caught up in Zenyatta mania??

[kgar311]

Just heard the Beyer for that race. 78

[SCUDSBROTHER]

That race hands down had to of been the worst G1 field in the history of horse racing. Everyone involved in putting that race together and being apart of it should hang their heads in shame. That was NOT horse racing. It was a sham and Zenyatta was almost embarrassed.

There's a whole lot of almost beating her.They haven't actually done it. If she wins in a romp, the maggots won't come watch her show next time.

[kgar311]

There's a whole lot of almost beating her.They haven't actually done it. If she wins in a romp, the maggots won't come watch her show next time.

But those glorified claiming horses she races against shouldn't be sniffing her a$$, right?? They shouldn't be almost beating her if shes as great as you all say she is.

[rgustafson]

But those glorified claiming horses she races against shouldn't be sniffing her a$$, right?? They shouldn't be almost beating her if shes as great as you all say she is.\

Again, the usual post race comments have become quite tiresome. She probably has two races left to run in her career (both on dirt?). Just wondering what horses are you predicting to beat her.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

But those glorified claiming horses she races against shouldn't be sniffing her a$$, right?? They shouldn't be almost beating her if shes as great as you all say she is.

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

[CSC]

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

Come now Scuds you mean to tell me this hasn't been fun for you, as we watch Rail Trip, Quality Road, and Rachel Alex all come crashing down to earth. Here comes Blame now as the logical contender. LOL

[the_fat_man]

On Cushion or Pro-Ride she beats the piss out of Rinterval and Anabaa's Creation by 4 or more very convincing lengths, instead of winning in a dog fight.

ha ha ha ha

yeah, you understand race dynamics.:rolleyes:

[CSC]

ha ha ha ha

yeah, you understand race dynamics.:rolleyes:

I predicted a 89 beyer and a measured length win on Wednesday. Off by half a length...Damn Smith finish stronger.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

ha ha ha ha

yeah, you understand race dynamics.:rolleyes:

Even if the race dynamics don't suit her - she just beat a horse who's lost 20 out of her last 21 races by about a neck.

[Rupert Pupkin]

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.

After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

[Smooth Operator]

The Streak is drivin' the haters crazy. :D

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.

I gave her a big chance to win the BC Classic last year. Who was more deserving of favortisim than her in that spot?

It was a terrible edition of the BC Classic .. Tiago had the best finish of any American in the '08 Classic.

Her competiton and margins of victory are only being so wholeheartedly mocked because of the fact that people are wildly overrating her - run a poll on who the greatest horse of all time, male or female is ... Secretariat or Spectacular Bid have NO chance with Zenyatta.

[ateamstupid]

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.

After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

Holy crap, how do you people still not understand this?

We don't think she sucks. We think she's awesome, which is what makes her campaign even more disappointing and infuriating. She's not being allowed to prove herself and her greatness. One challenging race a year isn't acceptable for a supposed all-time great. We get sick of hearing about her incredible accomplishments when she's not doing anything historically significant except extending a winning streak that no one with a brain cares about. If she's capable of more, they should show it. She's going to go down in the history books as the biggest 'what if' horse whose career wasn't ended early.

This straw man argument about how anyone who isn't satisfied with these monotonous life-and-death victories over claimers automatically must think she's awful, it has to go. She's a beast, and she deserves applause. But stop telling me how legendary she is, when she's never allowed to prove it against top competition.

[Left Bank]

Even if the race dynamics don't suit her - she just beat a horse who's lost 20 out of her last 21 races by about a neck.

I don't have PP's,is that true?

[Rupert Pupkin]

The Streak is drivin' the haters crazy. :D

That is true. It is driving them crazy.

Some of what they are saying is true. She has faced some pretty weak fields in many of her races. But she also stepped up and beat the boys in the BC Classic. Was that BC Classic a really strong field? No, I wouldn't say so but it was a good enough field. You have to be a pretty darn good mare to step up and win that race.

[herkhorse]

If there is more in her tank why not use it? There is no shame in losing a race once in a while FFS! If she's really the best then run against the best and there would be no argument.Yeesh! One great race out of 17, cool!, and I'm far from a hater but get real. maggots, yea right. I love the horse but you are all nuts.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't have PP's,is that true?

The PP's of the 2nd place finisher are in the 'Presque Isle is rocking' thread.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Holy crap, how do you people still not understand this?

We don't think she sucks. We think she's awesome, which is what makes her campaign even more disappointing and infuriating. She's not being allowed to prove herself and her greatness. One challenging race a year isn't acceptable for a supposed all-time great. We get sick of hearing about her incredible accomplishments when she's not doing anything historically significant except extending a winning streak that no one with a brain cares about. If she's capable of more, they should show it. She's going to go down in the history books as the biggest 'what if' horse whose career wasn't ended early.

This straw man argument about how anyone who isn't satisfied with these monotonous life-and-death victories over claimers automatically must think she's awful, it has to go. She's a beast, and she deserves applause. But stop telling me how legendary she is, when she's never allowed to prove it against top competition.

I'm not putting you in the category of the people who don't think she's great. You have been clear that you think she's great and you would like to see her in tougher races. I can see your point. I'm not arguing your point. I'm arguing with the people that are saying she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre horses by small margins.

[CSC]

The Streak is drivin' the haters crazy. :D

One more race in So Cal before the BC SO? :D

[ateamstupid]

I'm not putting you in the category of the people who don't think she's great. You have been clear that you think she's great and you would like to see her in tougher races. I can see your point. I'm not arguing your point. I'm arguing with the people that are saying she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre horses by small margins.

And I think that there are far fewer of those people than you are insinuating. Most people on here, I'd say, are in my camp.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm arguing with the people that are saying she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre horses by small margins.

Ok, She's clearly better than Secreatariat and Spectacular Bid? Is that better, or do I have to go way further and say that Pepper's Pride is also better than those two?

[randallscott35]

The truth is we will never know how good she is. I think we have to come to grips with that. As a board family

[Rupert Pupkin]

If there is more in her tank why not use it? There is no shame in losing a race once in a while FFS! If she's really the best then run against the best and there would be no argument.Yeesh! One great race out of 17, cool!, and I'm far from a hater but get real. maggots, yea right. I love the horse but you are all nuts.

She apparently did not ship great when she went to Oaklawn this year. The trip knocked her out and she lost weight. Knowing that, why would they want to ship her again this year before they ship her to Kentucky in November for the BC Classic? Why would they want to knock her out before the big race?

All horses are different. Some horses handle shipping really well and others don't. Going into this year, I think they were planning on shipping quite a bit this year. But since she didn't handle it particulary well, they're not going to do it again before the BC Classic. I guess there is a small chance that they will ship her for her final prep but I would say the odds are against it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Ok, She's clearly better than Secreatariat and Spectacular Bid? Is that better, or do I have to go way further and say that Pepper's Pride is also better than those two?

Who are you argung with? I didn't hear anyone say that she is better than Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

The Pepper's Pride argument is a joke. How can you compare a mare that's won 16 graded stakes races in a row including the BC Classic to a mare that was runing against New Mexico breds? It's absurd.

[Coach Pants]

Was this race shown live on the major networks or ESPN?

No?

I wonder why. Maybe it's because true sports fans don't fall for exhibitions for filthy rich cowards to show off their "SUPER HORSE." They'd rather watch poker or bowling. At least in those sports you don't see the stars ducking each other on a regular basis.

It was fitting SHEriffs was wearing pink today.

Now continue fawning over this horse who barely beat nothing.

[herkhorse]

Who are you argung with? I didn't hear anyone say that she is better than Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

The Pepper's Pride argument is a joke. How can you compare a mare that's won 16 graded stakes races in a row including the BC Classic to a mare that was runing against New Mexico breds? It's absurd.

see? now you know how we feel. It's that simple.

[Thunder Gulch]

Holy crap, how do you people still not understand this?

We don't think she sucks. We think she's awesome, which is what makes her campaign even more disappointing and infuriating. She's not being allowed to prove herself and her greatness. One challenging race a year isn't acceptable for a supposed all-time great. We get sick of hearing about her incredible accomplishments when she's not doing anything historically significant except extending a winning streak that no one with a brain cares about. If she's capable of more, they should show it. She's going to go down in the history books as the biggest 'what if' horse whose career wasn't ended early.

This straw man argument about how anyone who isn't satisfied with these monotonous life-and-death victories over claimers automatically must think she's awful, it has to go. She's a beast, and she deserves applause. But stop telling me how legendary she is, when she's never allowed to prove it against top competition.

Yeah, what he said. It's impossible to question what is a history of races against lesser competition without some of these jacks thinking you believe she sucks and taking offense to it. Clearly this is not the case. However, let's not confuse the ridiculous exhibitions vs allowance horses as legend making efforts. Is anyone seriously more impressed today by Zenyatta than Blame? No contest.

[Rupert Pupkin]

The truth is we will never know how good she is. I think we have to come to grips with that. As a board family

We will see how she runs in the BC Classic this year. That should give people a better idea.

[10 pnt move up]

Whats the most interesting thing about her PP's, other than being unbeaten, is that the pace calls of her races. I would imagine without looking 15 of the 18 have had below par pace calls, to be a closer into that dynamic is pretty amazing.

The poly crap junk just makes winning that much more of a crap shoot, what did drugs say the routing favorites have done on it?

[randallscott35]

The Shirreffs 3 calls a day to TVG lately about whether he will run or not is grotesque. I hope he never wins another race.

[randallscott35]

We will see how she runs in the BC Classic this year. That should give people a better idea.

agreed but I think she will run in the Distaff

[Rupert Pupkin]

The Shirreffs 3 calls a day to TVG lately about whether he will run or not is grotesque. I hope he never wins another race.

Why would you blame him? You should blame TVG. They are the ones that keep hounding him every day. It's not his fault.

[randallscott35]

Why would you blame him? You should blame TVG. They are the ones that keep hounding him every day. It's not his fault.

Dumb argument. And Moss' classless actions at the HOY ceremony last year speak volumes.

[10 pnt move up]

I dont believe Shirreffs has started another horse on the main track this meet....but yea he loves the surface.

[Rupert Pupkin]

agreed but I think she will run in the Distaff

Why would you possibly think that? There is almost no chance of that. Their goal all year has been the BC Classic. If she's healthy, she'll run in the Classic. If she not healthy, she won't run at all. She's not going to run in the Distaff.

[tiggerv]

Interesting that he would rather run her on a surface he absolutely hates over shipping out of Cali.

[randallscott35]

Why would you possibly think that? There is almost no chance of that. Their goal all year has been the BC Classic. If she's healthy, she'll run in the Classic. If she not healthy, she won't run at all. She's not going to run in the Distaff.

Lets see her come to Belmont first

[2Hot4TV]

I dont believe Shirreffs has started another horse on the main track this meet....but yea he loves the surface.

Wrong, I know of at least one maiden that started on the poly at Del Mar. Might of ran last.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Dumb argument. And Moss' classless actions at the HOY ceremony last year speak volumes.

How is it a dumb argument? And what did Moss do at the HOY ceremony that was classless?

[2Hot4TV]

Interesting that he would rather run her on a surface he absolutely hates over shipping out of Cali.

Hey, going from Hollywood to Del Mar counts as shipping.

[10 pnt move up]

Wrong, I know of at least one maiden that started on the poly at Del Mar. Might of ran last.

yea so some piece of trash or a nice bred quality horse?

[randallscott35]

How is it a dumb argument? And what did Moss do at the HOY ceremony that was classless?

You're lost dude. There were about 5 threads about it last year. Lookem up....And just b/c TVG is the Zenyatta tv network doesnt mean you have to be a lackey.

[tiggerv]

Shirreffs is 4 1-1-1 at DMR this year including Zenyatta.

[Indian Charlie]

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

Come now Scuds you mean to tell me this hasn't been fun for you, as we watch Rail Trip, Quality Road, and Rachel Alex all come crashing down to earth. Here comes Blame now as the logical contender. LOL

You two should get a room.

[Smooth Operator]

One more race in So Cal before the BC SO? :D

Yeah, you can bet on it, CSC.

They don't need to ship cross-country looking for RA at this point.

It's all about the BCC now.

Prepping at home … on synthetic … gives her the best chance to be at her best for the Cup, in my estimation (although I wish the race at Anita was 9f instead of 8.5).

[tiggerv]

yea so some piece of trash or a nice bred quality horse?

1 maiden claimer

1 in the osunitas stakes

1 in bing crosby

zenyatta

[Dahoss]

I dont believe Shirreffs has started another horse on the main track this meet....but yea he loves the surface.

So why point the horse to a race at a surface they don't like? That's stupid. Are they really that afraid of shipping/losing?

[Rupert Pupkin]

You're lost dude. There were about 5 threads about it last year. Lookem up....And just b/c TVG is the Zenyatta tv network doesnt mean you have to be a lackey.

I have no idea what people would have criticized Moss for. I think he has handled himself great with regards to Zenyatta. He never said that he thought she deserved HOY over Rachel. He has never said that she is better than Rachel. He has been very humble about Zenyatta. I don't know how a guy could have handled himself better.

[Indian Charlie]

She apparently did not ship great when she went to Oaklawn this year. The trip knocked her out and she lost weight.


What is this based on? Something that those lying dirtbag connections said?

Are you really that naive to believe any excuse they throw out there?

Whats next? Do you really believe that flying over the Rockies was a legitimate excuse to not ship east earlier this year?

Or that going 10f against males in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year was too daunting a thing to do with a female horse, despite that moronic trainer running a female in that race anyways?

[hockey2315]

I have no idea what people would have criticized Moss for. I think he has handled himself great with regards to Zenyatta. He never said that he thought she deserved HOY over Rachel. He has never said that she is better than Rachel. He has been very humble about Zenyatta. I don't know how a guy could have handled himself better.

Pfff

[Indian Charlie]

We will see how she runs in the BC Classic this year. That should give people a better idea.

And when she doesn't run in that race????????????

[Rupert Pupkin]

So why point the horse to a race at a surface they don't like? That's stupid. Are they really that afraid of shipping/losing?

I don't think they're afraid of losing. She's not a great shipper and they don't want to knock her out. If they were afraid of losing, would they have run in the BC Classic last year instead of the Distaff? If they were afraid of losing would they have agreed to ship to Oaklawn to face Rachel?

[Indian Charlie]

Interesting that he would rather run her on a surface he absolutely hates over shipping out of Cali.

You must have missed that press snippet where he wanted to make sure all of her fans in California get to see her one last time, again.

[Indian Charlie]

I have no idea what people would have criticized Moss for. I think he has handled himself great with regards to Zenyatta. He never said that he thought she deserved HOY over Rachel. He has never said that she is better than Rachel. He has been very humble about Zenyatta. I don't know how a guy could have handled himself better.

Dude, did CSC hack your account here on DT?

I have a lot of respect for your opinions on here, but wow, you've lost it.

[randallscott35]

Rupert don't comment on things you have no clue on. A horse racing fan follows things like the Eclipse awards, please don't make **** up. His actions are understated in this article. I wanted to vomit on him after watching his lack of class.

http://fhiers.blogs.ocala.com/10027/jerry-moss-should-forget-the-thoroughbreds-and-play-poker-hes-got-the-stoic-face-down/

[Rupert Pupkin]

What is this based on? Something that those lying dirtbag connections said?

Are you really that naive to believe any excuse they throw out there?

Whats next? Do you really believe that flying over the Rockies was a legitimate excuse to not ship east earlier this year?

Or that going 10f against males in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year was too daunting a thing to do with a female horse, despite that moronic trainer running a female in that race anyways?

This is based on the fact that people I know that see her train all the time said she looked like she had lost some weight after the Oaklawn race.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what you have against the Mosses. What are all these things you claim they have lied about?

[Indian Charlie]

This is based on the fact that people I know that see her train all the time said she looked like she had lost some weight after the Oaklawn race.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what you have against the Mosses. What are all these things you claim they have lied about?

Ok, you have always seemed like an honest stand up guy who knows what he's talking about, so I will concede the weight loss thing to you as you are in a much better position to know than I am.

But cmon, you are pulling my leg on the Mosses, right???

[Merlinsky]

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

I think what you meant to say about Zenyatta was "Thank you, your Majesty. May I have another?"

She apparently did not ship great when she went to Oaklawn this year. The trip knocked her out and she lost weight. Knowing that, why would they want to ship her again this year before they ship her to Kentucky in November for the BC Classic? Why would they want to knock her out before the big race?

All horses are different. Some horses handle shipping really well and others don't. Going into this year, I think they were planning on shipping quite a bit this year. But since she didn't handle it particulary well, they're not going to do it again before the BC Classic. I guess there is a small chance that they will ship her for her final prep but I would say the odds are against it.

I agree. I think they would most like a chance to go after not only Rachel but your Quality Road, Blame, Rail Trip, etc in one go. I think they're concerned about what could happen in the Classic if they go for the Beldame first this year. I think they were tempted by the race last year because they go back for the Classic on their home "plastic," but this time, we're talking non-home environment #2 and that wouldn't do her any favors (assuming there are actually shipping issues). I feel like there's a very good reason we haven't seen 2 "eastern" races back to back which is a shame because it has zero to do with her talent. Sure her issue with Churchill last year was weather related but was any of it connected with shipping strain? I guess at least this year post-Oaklawn it's obvious that it's stressful for her. Might almost be better if she doesn't come to the Beldame so we get the best Z possible for the BCC. This assumes of course that I'm not completely misreading the situation, and she actually is fine with shipping. In the event of that, oops. :o

[Danzig]

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

[10 pnt move up]

So why point the horse to a race at a surface they don't like? That's stupid. Are they really that afraid of shipping/losing?


I guess she lost a **** load of weight and her training tailed off after Oaklawn this past time, but I guess so because they ran.

[Revidere]

That race hands down had to of been the worst G1 field in the history of horse racing. Everyone involved in putting that race together and being apart of it should hang their heads in shame. That was NOT horse racing. It was a sham and Zenyatta was almost embarrassed.

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

[tiggerv]

You must have missed that press snippet where he wanted to make sure all of her fans in California get to see her one last time, again.

Always putting the fans first. Classy.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Rupert don't comment on things you have no clue on. A horse racing fan follows things like the Eclipse awards, please don't make **** up. His actions are understated in this article. I wanted to vomit on him after watching his lack of class.

http://fhiers.blogs.ocala.com/10027/jerry-moss-should-forget-the-thoroughbreds-and-play-poker-hes-got-the-stoic-face-down/

I had totally forgotten about that quote. Fair enough, I can see why people would criticize him for that. I personally don't think it was a big deal. The guy was obviously very disappointed. He obviously felt he deserved to win and he was a little pissed off. We have all said things in the heat of the moment that we shouldn't have.

The guy had one bad moment. But overall, I think he was pretty gracious with his praise of RA with the exception of that one moment.

If that is the worst moment that he's had, I think he's doing better than me. I've certainly been a poor sport before.

[tiggerv]

I guess she lost a **** load of weight and her training tailed off after Oaklawn this past time, but I guess so because they ran.

If they shipped her more than once a year then she might become used to it.

[Merlinsky]

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

[the_fat_man]

Even if the race dynamics don't suit her - she just beat a horse who's lost 20 out of her last 21 races by about a neck.

The race was a workout for her. What exactly did you want to see out of her? The 2nd horse set a ridiculously slow pace and was inside, while Z was widest on the turn, moved too soon, and gained the lead with the length of the stretch yet to be run. For me, it's enough that she maintained an easy advantage to the wire under less than advantageous conditions.

You've never seen a bad horse beat a much better one under similar dynamics?

[geeker2]

1542

[10 pnt move up]

If they shipped her more than once a year then she might become used to it.

true, did not happen in 08', at least not to the degree this year.

[randallscott35]

I'm assuming that finger doesn't represent paths from the rail?

[letswastemoney]

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

[Danzig]

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.


well, according to tvg ( i listened on the radio) she's the best horse in america right now-this was before her win this afternoon. i would disagree and say that must be blame after his win over QR...
anyway, she doesn't need much money to be the top money earner in the distaff division...
i'd like to see her go east, i just won't hold my breath waiting for it. there goals are different from all of ours (they own her, it's their right!). they are stressing the win streak most of all. if they get it, and already have the classic win, why do another? they can get the money and the wins at home. and of course i read their 'we want to support cali racing' comment the other day.
zenyatta is obviously a very special horse. can't say i blame them for wanting to keep her close by. i just wish they'd have been willing to take on the boys this year. she handled them just fine last fall. winning a pac classic or hollywood gold cup would have looked so good on her record.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Ok, you have always seemed like an honest stand up guy who knows what he's talking about, so I will concede the weight loss thing to you as you are in a much better position to know than I am.

But cmon, you are pulling my leg on the Mosses, right???

I constantly hear s-h-i-t about a lot of owners. I constantly hear that this person is an a-hole and that person is a prick, etc. But I've never heard anything bad about the Mosses. They are extremely popular. Everyone likes them.

I did hear one kind of funny thing about Moss. I know a guy who grew up with Moss in New York. When they were both 19 years old, they were pretty much broke. They had no money and they were working for peanuts. Anyway, he told me that Moss does not like talking about those days at all. It's a real sore subject with him. He is worth several hundred million dollars now and I guess he doesn't like to be reminded about the days when he was broke.

[Theatrical]

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

LOL. You know nothing about this mare. Nothing. Zero. Nada :)

[Revidere]

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

[Revidere]

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

And Quality Road has shipped where? Oh I forgot Florida. Belmont south.

[hockey2315]

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

So Rinterval and Blame are basically equals? Quality Road looked very flat today, but come on.

[stonegossard]

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

[Rupert Pupkin]

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

That's an interesting theory but it's totally wrong. They have one goal right now and that goal is to win the BC Classic this year. There is no chance they retire her unless she gets hurt. Every move they make with her is designed to be what they think is the best path to the Classic.

By the way, they think she's better on dirt.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

It's a big "if" but if she wins the BC Classic this year, she's got to win HOY. Who else is going to get it?

[randallscott35]

It's a big "if" but if she wins the BC Classic this year, she's got to win HOY. Who else is going to get it?

The Baffert love affair never ceases to amaze. LAL maybe

[stonegossard]

It's a big "if" but if she wins the BC Classic this year, she's got to win HOY. Who else is going to get it?

If she wins that joke of a race at SA coming up and The Classic then yes.....she will win HOY. But let's say she ran at Saratoga in The PE and Won vs a real field (Rachel and Pletcher's horse). Then goes to Belmont in The Beldame and beats another quality field....then goes to The BC and runs 2nd to some longshot in The Classic (obviously not Blame). She most likely would be named HOY. Well...by keeping her in So-Cal and running vs horrible horses The Moss's have made sure that scenario won't happen.

[Crown@club]

Paid workout, she wins by a measured length with a solid 87 Beyer. Of note Smith who won a rare race yesterday was sitting on 1 win for the Delmar meet thus far. That might be her biggest challenge.

Well won by a neck, but the Beyer is definitely going to be a very good prediction. The race was pathetically slow.

[10 pnt move up]

the Beyer is definitely going to be a very good prediction.

a prediction of what?

[Smooth Operator]

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.

IF she can pull off a couple more wins (prep race at SA and the BCC), we're talkin' immortality.


And that will drive the haters absolutely craZZZZZZZZZZZy...

[Crown@club]

Was this race shown live on the major networks or ESPN?

No?

I wonder why. Maybe it's because true sports fans don't fall for exhibitions for filthy rich cowards to show off their "SUPER HORSE." They'd rather watch poker or bowling. At least in those sports you don't see the stars ducking each other on a regular basis.

It was fitting SHEriffs was wearing pink today.

Now continue fawning over this horse who barely beat nothing.

AWESOME!!!! :tro:

[Crown@club]

agreed but I think she will run in the Distaff

I sure hope the connections of Goldikova is keeping an eye. Forget the mile, and find out if and where Zenyatta is running on BC day.

[randallscott35]

I sure hope the connections of Goldikova is keeping an eye. Forget the mile, and find out if and where Zenyatta is running on BC day.

I love her but shes a turf mare. That ain't changing.

[Crown@club]

I love her but shes a turf mare. That ain't changing.

I know. It's only a wish.

[Crown@club]

a prediction of what?

CSC said a Beyer of 87. After I watched the race this is what I was thinking and saw the post. So I figure I congratulate CSC on making the 87 Beyer prediction.

:zz:

[TitanSooner]

CSC said a Beyer of 87. After I watched the race this is what I was thinking and saw the post. So I figure I congratulate CSC on making the 87 Beyer prediction.

:zz:

whoopty doo

[Indian Charlie]

I constantly hear s-h-i-t about a lot of owners. I constantly hear that this person is an a-hole and that person is a prick, etc. But I've never heard anything bad about the Mosses. They are extremely popular. Everyone likes them.

I did hear one kind of funny thing about Moss. I know a guy who grew up with Moss in New York. When they were both 19 years old, they were pretty much broke. They had no money and they were working for peanuts. Anyway, he told me that Moss does not like talking about those days at all. It's a real sore subject with him. He is worth several hundred million dollars now and I guess he doesn't like to be reminded about the days when he was broke.

Yeah, you know, I used to like the Moss stable horses until last year. Not that I don't like the horses, but I find it hard to route for them since all the bullshidding and misdirection on Zenyatta.

Delicate Vine was awesome. I was a fan of Ruhlman too, to name a couple.

Then all this nonsense about not running her in the Gold Cup last year was so completely retarded, they were obviously making up lies to justify their lack of fortitude.

How about the lies about her being retired? Clearly anyone with an ounce of common sense could tell she wasn't being worked out for the joy of working out. Did you really believe she was never to race again, until they came out and said she was now 'unretired'???

How about their promise to be more daring with her this year?

Or their classic "Rocky Mountain" excuse?

Or their hemming and hawing about how they really were not that likely to run in todays race?

There's alot more.

[Indian Charlie]

That's an interesting theory but it's totally wrong. They have one goal right now and that goal is to win the BC Classic this year. There is no chance they retire her unless she gets hurt. Every move they make with her is designed to be what they think is the best path to the Classic.

By the way, they think she's better on dirt.

My goal is to win a Nobel Peace prize this year for having uncommon sense. Ain't gonna happen though.

If they do retire her prior to the BC, they will say she's hurt.

By the way, they say they think she's better on dirt. There's a big difference between saying it and thinking it. Which they don't.

[Rupert Pupkin]

My goal is to win a Nobel Peace prize this year for having uncommon sense. Ain't gonna happen though.

If they do retire her prior to the BC, they will say she's hurt.

By the way, they say they think she's better on dirt. There's a big difference between saying it and thinking it. Which they don't.

I should correct my earlier post. They actually have 3 goals right now. First, they want to win HOY. Second, they want to win the BC Classic again. Third, they want to reamin undefeated. Every move they make is designed to accomplish these 3 goals. If they win the BC Classic, they kill two birds with one stone. They win the race and they win HOY.

When you consider that those are their 3 goals right now, it wouldn't make much sense for them to look for a tough race right now. They don't need to. They will win HOY if they win the BC Classic. If they don't win the BC Classic, they won't win HOY. Running in a tough race right now doesn't accomplish anything for them and it could hurt one of their goals. If she loses, it kills their goal of staying undefeated.

They will definitely run in the BC Classic because they desperately want to win HOY.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I should correct my earlier post. They actually have 3 goals right now. First, they want to win HOY. Second, they want to win the BC Classic again. Third, they want to reamin undefeated.

It's about just trying to stay undefeated and having her cranked up to run one whole big race this year.

Coming to Saratoga and trying to beat Rachel Alexandra on dirt - the surface which most American horses are bred best for - at the Classic distance of 10fs - that would have been awesome.

They know she is more likely to finish ahead of RA in the Classic because horses like Quality Road and Rail Trip won't let her loaf ... so, it's basically a full of year of yawners leading into a half court heave at a dirt BC Classic in which she will have her best possible chance at placing in front of RA as some moral victory if she doesn't win the race outright.

[Kasept]

It's about just trying to stay undefeated and having her cranked up to run one whole big race this year.

Coming to Saratoga and trying to beat Rachel Alexandra on dirt - the surface which most American horses are bred best for - at the Classic distance of 10fs - that would have been awesome.

They know she is more likely to finish ahead of RA in the Classic because horses like Quality Road and Rail Trip won't let her loaf ... so, it's basically a full of year of yawners leading into a half court heave at a dirt BC Classic in which she will have her best possible chance at placing in front of RA as some moral victory if she doesn't win the race outright.

Perfectly stated Doug.

[Coach Pants]

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.
This is further proof that you can be literally brain dead and still be a photographer.

[hockey2315]

94 Beyer.

[Revidere]

This is further proof that you can be literally brain dead and still be a photographer.

Who writes your material?

[Danzig]

That's an interesting theory but it's totally wrong. They have one goal right now and that goal is to win the BC Classic this year. There is no chance they retire her unless she gets hurt. Every move they make with her is designed to be what they think is the best path to the Classic.

By the way, they think she's better on dirt.

they say they are going to the bc. but they also said they were going to travel with her this year, let her fans see her, and try new things. if they haven't done any of that, how can you be sure they will really point to the bc? you can't. they talk a big talk, but what has she done differently this year? then you see the comments from them about cali, about not shipping, about the win streak. i don't think i'm going out on a limb by suggesting they really don't intend to go to the bc. i think they want peppers prides record, and the money won record. i think the bc is further down on the list, especially with her having won one.
it remains to be seen; i hope she goes, don't get me wrong. but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she doesn't go.

[brianwspencer]

If they were afraid of losing, would they have run in the BC Classic last year instead of the Distaff?

Seems quite clear that they were very afraid of losing something else that they very much thought they deserved no matter what, and that's exactly WHY they ran her in the Classic at the last second.

[CSC]

That's an interesting theory but it's totally wrong. They have one goal right now and that goal is to win the BC Classic this year. There is no chance they retire her unless she gets hurt. Every move they make with her is designed to be what they think is the best path to the Classic.

By the way, they think she's better on dirt.

Surface makes her look more ordinary, take the Apple Blossom for example she just draws off in that race, on synthetics the cynics would say she is only life and death to win, but margins on synth are always invariably less than dirt. She may be sitting on her best race career wise for the BC, she looks better this year and she will drive the naysayers crazy if she wins the Classic with authority this year. That is if she wins.

[2Hot4TV]

And Quality Road has shipped where? Oh I forgot Florida. Belmont south.

QR shipped to Santa Anita and found that he didn't like the starting gate helicopter and that was that. He s h i t alover himself trying to fly back home too. It's not the travel, he just hates airports.

[2Hot4TV]

Surface makes her look more ordinary, take the Apple Blossom for example she just draws off in that race, on synthetics the cynics would say she is only life and death to win, but margins on synth are always invariably less than dirt. She may be sitting on her best race career wise for the BC, she looks better this year and she will drive the naysayers crazy if she wins the Classic with authority this year. That is if she wins.

Zenyatta is arguably the greatest race horse we will see in our life time, but the day is coming when she no longer wants to race and as a 6 yo mare the day is coming soon.

[Rileyoriley]

I should correct my earlier post. They actually have 3 goals right now. First, they want to win HOY. Second, they want to win the BC Classic again. Third, they want to reamin undefeated. Every move they make is designed to accomplish these 3 goals. If they win the BC Classic, they kill two birds with one stone. They win the race and they win HOY.

When you consider that those are their 3 goals right now, it wouldn't make much sense for them to look for a tough race right now. They don't need to. They will win HOY if they win the BC Classic. If they don't win the BC Classic, they won't win HOY. Running in a tough race right now doesn't accomplish anything for them and it could hurt one of their goals. If she loses, it kills their goal of staying undefeated.

They will definitely run in the BC Classic because they desperately want to win HOY.

I'd reverse the 3 goals. Remaining undefeated and winning the BCC again will be remembered before who won HOY in 2010.

[Rileyoriley]

It's about just trying to stay undefeated and having her cranked up to run one whole big race this year.

Coming to Saratoga and trying to beat Rachel Alexandra on dirt - the surface which most American horses are bred best for - at the Classic distance of 10fs - that would have been awesome.

They know she is more likely to finish ahead of RA in the Classic because horses like Quality Road and Rail Trip won't let her loaf ... so, it's basically a full of year of yawners leading into a half court heave at a dirt BC Classic in which she will have her best possible chance at placing in front of RA as some moral victory if she doesn't win the race outright.

After yesterday's races, personally I'm looking forward to the BCC and Blame v. Zenyatta. If both horses win their next races, we'll have the undefeated mare from the west going against the undefeated colt (in 2010) from the east. The media would hopefully eat this up and really promote the race. RA, at this point, is an afterthought.

[CSC]

Zenyatta is arguably the greatest race horse we will see in our life time, but the day is coming when she no longer wants to race and as a 6 yo mare the day is coming soon.

Her career isn't over and I haven't decided where she is to be placed amongst the all time great horses, to be fair you wait until her career is over and even then maybe years, it is human nature to look back with more objectivity.

[stonegossard]

IF she can pull off a couple more wins (prep race at SA and the BCC), we're talkin' immortality.


And that will drive the haters absolutely craZZZZZZZZZZZy...


I think you are confused a bit. People like myself aren't haters. Personally...I have always been a huge fan of the big closers over speed type horses. Closers , in my humble opinion, have to do far more work to win races. I think much more can go wrong (see Ice Box in Kentucky Derby) with that type of style. So when you get a horse that keeps winning like she does, it is impressive. I was a fan of hers up until last spring/summer when the connections started to duck everyone and do the same thing yet again. Because of The BC being at SA one could argue it was the right call to stay out there. Ok..then how about running in The Hol Gold Cup or Pac Classic ? It was borderline gutless to run in those filly races. Then she runs an excellent race in The BC Classic. I was very impressed. If she had either won a real race like the two I mentioned above in Cali, then she probably wins HOY.

Then The Moss's bring her back, which is great. They say 2010 is gonna be different. Even better. Fans like me figured they learned their lesson and are gonna run vs some real fields and stay on the dirt (surface of BC.......no excuse not to run on it in 2010). But after one race at OP , they go back to their conservative/gutless campaign vs horrible fields again. What are they proving vs the same bad horses again this year ? Absolutely nothing. Her fans can continue to blab about her amazing run.....but in reality she isn't doin much more than that horse from New Mexico did. Beating the same fields over and over again. Yesterdays race was an embarassment. The race coming up at SA will probably be the same if not worse. How many times can they line up 5 cripples to run against her? I think the truth is she isn't as good as she was last year and the connections know it. This cr#p about her only winning by a head or so because she knows thats all she has to do is hilarious.

Even more funny are the people mentioning her and Cigar in the same sentence. She wouldn't have gotten within 10 lengths of him every time they faced each other.

Personally, I don't hate her. She is a cool horse. I think this year's campaign is pathetic and her connections are an embarassment for what they are doing. But I dont hate them...I just think The Moss's and Sheriffs are gutless.

[knickslions2]

I think you are confused a bit. People like myself aren't haters. Personally...I have always been a huge fan of the big closers over speed type horses. Closers , in my humble opinion, have to do far more work to win races. I think much more can go wrong (see Ice Box in Kentucky Derby) with that type of style. So when you get a horse that keeps winning like she does, it is impressive. I was a fan of hers up until last spring/summer when the connections started to duck everyone and do the same thing yet again. Because of The BC being at SA one could argue it was the right call to stay out there. Ok..then how about running in The Hol Gold Cup or Pac Classic ? It was borderline gutless to run in those filly races. Then she runs an excellent race in The BC Classic. I was very impressed. If she had either won a real race like the two I mentioned above in Cali, then she probably wins HOY.

Then The Moss's bring her back, which is great. They say 2010 is gonna be different. Even better. Fans like me figured they learned their lesson and are gonna run vs some real fields and stay on the dirt (surface of BC.......no excuse not to run on it in 2010). But after one race at OP , they go back to their conservative/gutless campaign vs horrible fields again. What are they proving vs the same bad horses again this year ? Absolutely nothing. Her fans can continue to blab about her amazing run.....but in reality she isn't doin much more than that horse from New Mexico did. Beating the same fields over and over again. Yesterdays race was an embarassment. The race coming up at SA will probably be the same if not worse. How many times can they line up 5 cripples to run against her? I think the truth is she isn't as good as she was last year and the connections know it. This cr#p about her only winning by a head or so because she knows thats all she has to do is hilarious.

Even more funny are the people mentioning her and Cigar in the same sentence. She wouldn't have gotten within 10 lengths of him every time they faced each other.

Personally, I don't hate her. She is a cool horse. I think this year's campaign is pathetic and her connections are an embarassment for what they are doing. But I dont hate them...I just think The Moss's and Sheriffs are gutless.

Not within 10 lengths? Now I loved Cigar but you must be joking here

[The Indomitable DrugS]

After yesterday's races, personally I'm looking forward to the BCC and Blame v. Zenyatta. If both horses win their next races, we'll have the undefeated mare from the west going against the undefeated colt (in 2010) from the east. The media would hopefully eat this up and really promote the race. RA, at this point, is an afterthought.

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

[cmorioles]

Not within 10 lengths? Now I loved Cigar but you must be joking here

I agree. It may be more like 12.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

94 Beyer.

The variant for that figure was split - and that number was inflated significantly to get to 94 because of the slow pace.

[cmorioles]

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

[Cannon Shell]

What is so silly is that many of you keep making the same silly arguments that you were making last year. You all thought that she wasn't anything special because she wasn't beating much and she wasn't winning by big margins. You all thought she had little or no chance in the BC Classic.
After she stepped up and won the BC Classic, I would have thought that that would be enough for you to realize that you were wrong and that her winning margins and her level of competition are pretty much meaningless. Her win in the BC Classic proved that there's more in the tank than she's showing. And yet here you go again making this same argument that she must not be that good because she's beating mediocre competition by small margins. I just don't get it. The BC Classic proved that that argument is wrong and yet you guys still make that same argument.

I'm not saying that she's the greatest horse ever. I'm simply saying that you can't measure her based on these races because she is clearly capable of doing more as she proved in the BC Classic.

That really isnt true. Who exactly was the big horse everyone was touting?
The truth is that the people who knock her were right last year and are still right. These arent great races. These arent good races. She is beating crap and looking very ordinary doing it. Spin it how ever you'd like but she is really just a nice horse with quirky habits, a strong closing kick and a cupcake schedule.

Unless you just WANT her to be more than she is. Then you can say she is better than Affirmed or rank her 12 all time or whatever blasphemy you want to go with.

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

I've concocted a crazy theory that the braid bead that was whipping around wildly and kept hitting his eyeball over and over while he was trying to run might have been an explanation for his horrendous performance.

If that isn't the case, he's hopeless.

[Dahoss]

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

:tro::tro:

[RockHardTen1985]

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

This is silly. He was flat, one time. I pray he comes back in the Woodward, then everything will be fine again.

[RockHardTen1985]

That really isnt true. Who exactly was the big horse everyone was touting?
The truth is that the people who knock her were right last year and are still right. These arent great races. These arent good races. She is beating crap and looking very ordinary doing it. Spin it how ever you'd like but she is really just a nice horse with quirky habits, a strong closing kick and a cupcake schedule.

Unless you just WANT her to be more than she is. Then you can say she is better than Affirmed or rank her 12 all time or whatever blasphemy you want to go with.

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.


This is kind of funny, because I was fighting with my X outside, on the phone at work yesterday and for some reasson I used the word ******, and then one of the retards actually reported me for saying ******, and I hate the word but she pisses me off so much.... This is not even the kids mom, so now I get in trouble for saying ****** because retards were spying on me. ****ing bullshit.

[cmorioles]

This is silly. He was flat, one time. I pray he comes back in the Woodward, then everything will be fine again.

Silly? He has never proven he wants that far outside of the silly 9f races at GP where speed has a HUGE advantage. Good luck betting him the rest of the year.

[the_fat_man]

Further, after watching the Whitney yesterday, how exactly could Quality Road win any race in which Rachel was entered? If anything he is the afterthought.

Coming to your senses, I see. Good for you. Let's expand this a bit: QR won't be a factor in the CLASSIC --- if he makes it there. Blame eats his lunch whenever he wants.

Rachel who?:rolleyes:

[Cannon Shell]

Zenyatta is arguably the greatest race horse we will see in our life time, but the day is coming when she no longer wants to race and as a 6 yo mare the day is coming soon.

That would be a pretty short argument

[cmorioles]

Coming to your senses, I see. Good for you. Let's expand this a bit: QR won't be a factor in the CLASSIC --- if he makes it there. Blame eats his lunch whenever he wants.

Rachel who?:rolleyes:

If you follow me, and you do, you know I've never been on the QR bandwagon. His 121 Beyer was a total fraud.

[RockHardTen1985]

Silly? He has never proven he wants that far outside of the silly 9f races at GP where speed has a HUGE advantage. Good luck betting him the rest of the year.


Im not sure I would ever bet him, I mean say he comes back in the Woodward with a few bullets... I would have to assume he would be favored again, no?

[cmorioles]

Im not sure I would ever bet him, I mean say he comes back in the Woodward with a few bullets... I would have to assume he would be favored again, no?

Not against Blame obviously. Under what circumstances is he ever beating him at 9f or longer?

[RockHardTen1985]

Not against Blame obviously. Under what circumstances is he ever beating him at 9f or longer?


Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

[Rileyoriley]

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

[the_fat_man]

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

That's a contradiction. There was NEVER a point where the chasers put any pressure on him; never a point where they cut into his lead or appeared to threaten him. 8:1 on the exacta.

[robfla]

I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

:confused::zz:

[cmorioles]

Why cant he have just had a bad day? I think he can beat Blame under the circumstances of JV just letting him roll, let the horse run... 23-46-110 clear lead, he went slow but was pressured from the outside. Maybe I just like him to much, Its hard for me to believe a plodder like Blame is this much better then QR all of the sudden, if this was so obvious why was Blame that price and QR odds on??

I have no idea how long you have followed racing so I won't give you too much crap. How often do you see horses at the G1 level "just have a bad day" then revert right back to top form? I'll give you a clue...it isn't very often. But, to be honest, I don't think it was a bad day. I think it was a horse a tad past his best distance getting beaten by a better horse despite having things his own way.

As for your clear lead projection, that rarely works out either. The answer to a speed horse getting run down is not to go faster next time, but good luck with that theory.

[letswastemoney]

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

[RockHardTen1985]

I have no idea how long you have followed racing so I won't give you too much crap. How often do you see horses at the G1 level "just have a bad day" then revert right back to top form? I'll give you a clue...it isn't very often. But, to be honest, I don't think it was a bad day. I think it was a horse a tad past his best distance getting beaten by a better horse despite having things his own way.

As for your clear lead projection, that rarely works out either. The answer to a speed horse getting run down is not to go faster next time, but good luck with that theory.


Im a firm believer of letting your horse run, dont look around, dont play games, dont try to rate. Like I said, maybe Im making excuses for the horse I dream of.

[Rileyoriley]

:confused::zz:

You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

[Cannon Shell]

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

Enlighten me again why we should be so concerned about casual fans and younger fans?

Unless you aren't a fan of the game you know about Blame. This idea that the "casual" fan is ever going to become a betting fan has been proven to be a myth time and time again. The cold hard truth is that there isn't going to be a game for these younger generation fans to grow to love (or bet on which is the only tangible way to support the sport as a fan) unless the real fans aren't focused on.

[10 pnt move up]

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

They had 35 thousand yesterday?

Its a great sport we have though.

[Rileyoriley]

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

I disagree. My friend was up for the weekend. She follows Trotters more than TBs but she does watch the TC races and the Breeders Cup. She knew who Zenyatta was and she did ask "whatever happened to that filly that won the Preakness last year?". Casual fans don't have TVG or HRTV. They don't have to know Blame's name. The girl v. boy angle would attract more attention I believe.

[tiggerv]

If you follow me, and you do, you know I've never been on the QR bandwagon. His 121 Beyer was a total fraud.

Did you create a figure for yesterday's race yet? Early word was a 111 Beyer for Blame which seems way too high to me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

[Rileyoriley]

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.:)

[RockHardTen1985]

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.:)


I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

[Rileyoriley]

A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

[Rileyoriley]

I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

I think I'll wait and see who enters first.:)

[cmorioles]

Did you create a figure for yesterday's race yet? Early word was a 111 Beyer for Blame which seems way too high to me.

I do Saturday races on Monday, but it seems a little high to me. In any case, it will be a projection by any figure maker as the only route...thanks NYRA.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think I'll wait and see who enters first.:)


Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

[Rileyoriley]

Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

I did bet the horse so I guess it matters to me. Does that mean I'll bet him in the BC? As I said in an above post, I'll wait and see who enters first.
You look at a race and form your opinion and that's fine. I may look at it and form a different opinion. Betting is all about opinions.

(Isn't Sharp Cat deceased in which case I'll pick Pepper's Pride to win.)

[Rileyoriley]

Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

:D

[Smooth Operator]

First female to win BCC + First 6yo to win BCC + First horse to win BCC on two different surfaces + 3 overall BC wins + Perfect 20-0 record = Horse Racing Immortality


Simple as that



Completing the equation won't be easy … odds are very much against her … but if she can pull it off … her critics will be just pissing into the wind…

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

[RockHardTen1985]

Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.


Your wrong Doug, but keep dreaming **** face.

[Danzig]

well, new york is out of the question...so we'll just have to speculate on all that.

[the_fat_man]

No speculation as to which horse was a NO SHOW for their previous 'engagement'. :rolleyes:


The rest is rhetoric.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Your wrong Doug, but keep dreaming **** face.

You might have a point chubby ... the older males and 3yo divisions both look very soft.

Let me revise that and say she will run 6th beaten 10.5 lengths.

[Smooth Operator]

Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

:wf

[Smooth Operator]

RA will be joining St. T in the infirmary if she ever runs into Z.

[Smooth Operator]

No speculation as to which horse was a NO SHOW for their previous 'engagement'. :rolleyes:


The rest is rhetoric.

:tro:

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm pretty upset she and possibly RA won't both be running the in the BC Distaff .. so I could make a trifecta score when Zenyatta fails to hit the board in that race.

RA, Devil May Care, Blind Luck, Life At Ten, Unriveled Belle, Malibu Prayer - that's a field man!! Zenyatta would do no better than 4th unless she got an absolutely blistering pace.

[the_fat_man]

I'm pretty upset she and possibly RA won't both be running the in the BC Distaff .. so I could make a trifecta score when Zenyatta fails to hit the board in that race.



Not to worry. You'll make your score betting Musket Man in the Classic.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Not to worry. You'll make your score betting Musket Man in the Classic.

Prior to yesterday - he'd run a grand total of zero good races. I wouldn't count on him being my BCC Classic horse.

[2Hot4TV]

I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!

[RockHardTen1985]

OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!



I cant and wont discuss it right now.

[prudery]

Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

Rachel Alexandra isn't pissing all over anybody this year---the same way Arcaro rode Native Dancer exactly " zero times " .

NOT. WRONG. NYET.

Zenyatta unfortunately will not be NY bound, but if she is sound she will be at the BCC and she will be ready .

May I take the liberty of revisting your prediction post race ??

Thanking you in advance, dolt ...

[RockHardTen1985]

Rachel Alexandra isn't pissing all over anybody this year---the same way Arcaro rode Native Dancer exactly " zero times " .

NOT. WRONG. NYET.

Zenyatta unfortunately will not be NY bound, but if she is sound she will be at the BCC and she will be ready .

May I take the liberty of revisting your prediction post race ??

Thanking you in advance, dolt ...


He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

[prudery]

He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

No comparison to Z whatsoever .

He is a half miler ...

[CSC]

He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

Shhh..don't give him any ideas, between his posts about about Zenyatta, The Dahoss/The_Fat_Man feud, The Spa contest, this forum has been the place to be.

[RockHardTen1985]

Shhh..don't give him any ideas, between his posts about about Zenyatta, The Dahoss/The_Fat_Man feud, The Spa contest, this forum has been the best place to be.

Fatman and hoss is over, TRUST ME.
FAT MAN TKO ROUND 3.

[CSC]

Fatman and hoss is over, TRUST ME.
FAT MAN TKO ROUND 3.

The_Fat_Man on points for now, the double alias shot was almost a TKO but I wouldn't count out Dahoss just yet.

[Coach Pants]

This is kind of funny, because I was fighting with my X outside, on the phone at work yesterday and for some reasson I used the word ******, and then one of the retards actually reported me for saying ******, and I hate the word but she pisses me off so much.... This is not even the kids mom, so now I get in trouble for saying ****** because retards were spying on me. ****ing bullshit.
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