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Old 04-02-2014, 03:58 PM
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Default 4/5 (SA): Derby, Oaks (G1's), Providencia (G3), Eve. Jewel, Echo Eddie

3rd (1:00) Echo Eddie S.

6 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Frensham Gutierrez Mario 116 L
2 Whine for Wine Bejarano R 118 L
3 Well Measured Espinoza V 118 L
4 Gangnam Guy Smith M E 118 L
5 Alert Bay Baze T C 120 L
6 Oh Daddy Oh Talamo J 116 L
7 Next Book Blanc B 116 L
8 Life Is a Joy Stevens G L 122 L
9 Pray Hard Desormeaux K J 120 L



5th (2:00) Santa Anita Oaks (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Fashion Plate Stevens G L 122 L
2 Kissin Lucky Lips Blanc B 122 L
3 Ria Antonia Smith M E 122 Blk-Off L
4 Honey Ride Baze T C 122 L
5 Arethusa Bejarano R 122
6 Artemis Espinoza V 122 L
7 Bajan Talamo J 122 L
8 Smoove It Gutierrez Mario 122 L



6th (2:30) Evening Jewel S.

6 1/2 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Norastone Maldonado E 120 L
2 Sprague River Talamo J 120 L
3 Sprouts Gutierrez Mario 122 L
4 Chati's On Top Smith M E 118 L
5 Harlington's Rose Baze T C 120 L
6 Rovenna Espinoza V 120 L
7 Princess Genevieve Desormeaux K J 118 L
8 Cause Ur My Babe Bejarano R 118 L
9 Gouyen Perez F H 116 L



7th (3:00) Providencia S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Soresca (IRE) SutherlandKruse C 118 L
2 Practising (GB) Bejarano R 118 L
3 Tiz Kissable Baze T C 118 L
4 Nashoba's Gold Talamo J 118 L
5 Full Ransom Desormeaux K J 123 L
6 Savings Account Smith M E 118 L
7 Margot Machance (GB) Couton J 118 L
8 Diversy Harbor Stevens G L 118 L
9 Kukaluka Espinoza V 118 L
10 One More Gutierrez Mario 118 L



8th (3:30) Santa Anita Derby (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Rprettyboyfloyd Bejarano R 122 Blk-On L
2 Friendswith K Mill Baze T C 122 L
3 Hoppertunity Smith M E 122 L
4 Big Tire Maldonado E 122 L
5 California Chrome Espinoza V 122 L
6 Candy Boy Stevens G L 122 L
7 Schoolofhardrocks Talamo J 122 L
8 Dublin Up Desormeaux K J 122 L
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:00 PM
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Some solid horses in the Derby!!! Best prep race this year.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:17 AM
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California Chrome may be trying to overcome a trend as rare as Apollo, if not historically then at least numerically in the last 40 years.

I can't recall a derby starter, let alone a derby winner who ran before May 1st of their 2 YO season.

If I was to stab I'd choose a Florida bred, maybe Foolish Pleasure.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:45 PM
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I think Schoolofhardrocks ends up being a nice horse. Tough group to face in here though.
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Old 04-03-2014, 05:53 PM
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I think Schoolofhardrocks ends up being a nice horse. Tough group to face in here though.
I would have bet him next Saturday in the Blue Grass. He needs turf IMO.
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:35 PM
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California Chrome may be trying to overcome a trend as rare as Apollo, if not historically then at least numerically in the last 40 years.

I can't recall a derby starter, let alone a derby winner who ran before May 1st of their 2 YO season.

If I was to stab I'd choose a Florida bred, maybe Foolish Pleasure.
Mission Impazible started really early. He ran in April or May in his 2-year old year.

Edit - he actually ran twice in April, before going on the shelf until January
Of his 3-year old season.

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Old 04-03-2014, 07:23 PM
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Mission Impazible started really early. He ran in April or May in his 2-year old year.

Edit - he actually ran twice in April, before going on the shelf until January
Of his 3-year old season.
Thanks. I know it's rare, especially nowadays.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:17 AM
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I wish I was clear on the intent of California Chrome and Hoppertunity...If neither trainer gives instructions not to exert too much this becomes a very good betting affair - specifically the P4 sequence. I think both will still run very well but I don't think either trainer would want to fully extend the horse just for the sake of winning. I understand the SA Derby is a race you would like to win regardless but I think the connections of both horses think they have legitimate shots in May....
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:02 AM
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I wish I was clear on the intent of California Chrome and Hoppertunity...If neither trainer gives instructions not to exert too much this becomes a very good betting affair - specifically the P4 sequence. I think both will still run very well but I don't think either trainer would want to fully extend the horse just for the sake of winning. I understand the SA Derby is a race you would like to win regardless but I think the connections of both horses think they have legitimate shots in May....
This is silly. Its a million dollar G1. Everyone wants to win.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:19 AM
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This is silly. Its a million dollar G1. Everyone wants to win.
I would agree, I dont think they think too much of Hop.
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:26 PM
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I would agree, I dont think they think too much of Hop.
As of right now my 2 Derby horses are him and Candy Boy. I think Hop is going to relish 10f w/ a blistering pace in front of him. He might be up against it a bit tomorrow, but I still prefer those 2 over Chrome, tomorrow and in the Derby.
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:40 PM
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California Chrome may be trying to overcome a trend as rare as Apollo, if not historically then at least numerically in the last 40 years.

I can't recall a derby starter, let alone a derby winner who ran before May 1st of their 2 YO season.

If I was to stab I'd choose a Florida bred, maybe Foolish Pleasure.
More Than Ready won his debut on 4-11-99 at Kee, then finished 4th in the 2000 derby. There may be others, and I will edit this post as needed.
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:59 PM
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This is silly. Its a million dollar G1. Everyone wants to win.
Using this logic, G. Motion and the connections of Ring Weekend must be idiots for running in the Calder Derby...It's only a 250K race.

By the way, I noted that it's obviously one of the best races a 3YO could win...But if you had a horse that was clearly in the Derby and had to go ALL OUT to win the SA Derby - would you jeopardize the chance of winning KY Derby?
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:38 PM
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Using this logic, G. Motion and the connections of Ring Weekend must be idiots for running in the Calder Derby...It's only a 250K race.

By the way, I noted that it's obviously one of the best races a 3YO could win...But if you had a horse that was clearly in the Derby and had to go ALL OUT to win the SA Derby - would you jeopardize the chance of winning KY Derby?
So what are you saying? That if California Chrome gets hooked in a stretch duel, Espinoza's instructions would be to ease him out of it and let the other horse win so he doesn't exert himself too much?
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:52 PM
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So what are you saying? That if California Chrome gets hooked in a stretch duel, Espinoza's instructions would be to ease him out of it and let the other horse win so he doesn't exert himself too much?
I guess an easier way to say what I mean is - Will California Chrome / Hoppertunity be prepared to peak tomorrow or a month from now?
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:05 PM
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More Than Ready won his debut on 4-11-99 at Kee, then finished 4th in the 2000 derby. There may be others, and I will edit this post as needed.
Thanks.
Round Table ran 3 times before May, Bold Ruler ran twice and Mister Jive once. Indian Creek was tardiest in the field with a September debut.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:34 PM
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I guess an easier way to say what I mean is - Will California Chrome / Hoppertunity be prepared to peak tomorrow or a month from now?
That's a fair question. They may very well not be fully cranked. Before it sounded like you were insinuating the jocks would be instructed not to try too hard.

I think it would be more of a concern if they were coming off a layoff and clearly needed a tightener. California Chrome is already in razor sharp form, so I imagine it'd be hard to pull back on the throttle now and then hope to get him back in peak form for the Derby.
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Using this logic, G. Motion and the connections of Ring Weekend must be idiots for running in the Calder Derby...It's only a 250K race.

By the way, I noted that it's obviously one of the best races a 3YO could win...But if you had a horse that was clearly in the Derby and had to go ALL OUT to win the SA Derby - would you jeopardize the chance of winning KY Derby?
This is worst then the first thing I responded to. I think Motion is actually pretty smart to run his horse at Calder. He will be 1-5 and is a likely 10 length or more winner. I think the whole California Chrome party comes to an end tomorrow. I hear people saying he is a likely Derby favorite, I dont see it at all.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:16 PM
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This is worst then the first thing I responded to. I think Motion is actually pretty smart to run his horse at Calder. He will be 1-5 and is a likely 10 length or more winner. I think the whole California Chrome party comes to an end tomorrow. I hear people saying he is a likely Derby favorite, I dont see it at all.

It is a BIG IF,,,but if Social Inclusion romps in the Wood, he is the Derby Favorite....
Good racing on Sat....good luck to all.
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This is worst then the first thing I responded to. I think Motion is actually pretty smart to run his horse at Calder. He will be 1-5 and is a likely 10 length or more winner. I think the whole California Chrome party comes to an end tomorrow. I hear people saying he is a likely Derby favorite, I dont see it at all.
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