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KEE Breeders' Cup Classic (G1): Authentic 111 (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez
KEE Breeders' Cup Turf (G1): Tarnawa-IRE 109 (Shamardal) D. Weld/C. Keane KEE Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1): Whitmore 104 (Pleasantly Perfect) R. Moquett/I. Ortiz KEE Breeders' Cup F&M Turf (G1): Audarya-FR 103 (Wootton Bassett-GB) J. Fanshawe/P. Boudot KEE Breeders' Cup Mile (G1): Order of Australia-IRE 105 (Australia-GB) A. O'Brien/P. Boudot KEE Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1): Monomoy Girl 100 (Tapizar) B. Cox/F. Geroux KEE Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (G1): Glass Slippers-GB 104 (Dream Ahead) K. Ryan/T. Eaves KEE Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1): Knicks Go 108 (Paynter) B. Cox/J. Rosario KEE Breeders' Cup F&M Sprint (G1): Gamine 110. (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1): Essential Quality 95 Tapit B. Cox/L. Saez KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1): Vequist 93 Nyquist R. Reid/J. Rosario KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint (G2): Golden Pal 90 Uncle Mo W. Ward/I. Ortiz KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (G1): Aunt Pearl-IRE 91 Lope de Vega (IRE) B. Cox/F. Geroux KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1): Fire At Will 90 Declaration of War M. Maker/R. Santana KEE Lafayette S: Sleepy Eyes Todd 98 (Paddy O'Prado) M. Silva/J. Rosario KEE Fort Springs S: Merneith 86 (American Pharoah) B. Baffert/L. Saez KEE Perryville S: Nashville 102 (Speightstown) S. Asmussen/R. Santana KEE TAA S (G2): Rocketry 92 Hard Spun J. Jerkens/I. Ortiz KEE McConnell Springs S: Amy's Challenge 89 Artie Schiller M. Robertson/J. Lezcano KEE Bryan Station S: Ever Dangerous 91 Kitten's Joy G. Weaver/J. Castellano KEE Nyquist S: Highly Motivated 96 Into Mischief C. Brown/J. Castellano KEE Songbird S: Joy's Rocket 80 Anthony's Cross S. Asmussen/R. Santana AQU Nashua S (G3): Pickin' Time 82 (Stay Thirsty) K. Breen/T. McCarthy AQU Turnback the Alarm H (G3): Royal Flag 94 (Candy Ride-ARG) C. Brown/T. McCarthy AQU Stewart Manor S: Illegal Smile-IRE 86 (Camacho-GB) W. Ward/C. Torres AQU Atlantic Beach S: Arrest Me Red 77 Pioneerof the Nile A. Delacour/H. Diaz AQU Tempted S: Malathaat 83 Curlin T. Pletcher/K. Carmouche WO Autumn S (G2): Skywire 94 (Afleet Alex) M. Casse/R. Hernandez WO Maple Leaf S (G3): Heavenly Curlin 90 Curlin M. Casse/R. Hernandez DMR Betty Grable S: Mo See Cal - (Uncle Mo) P. Miller/F. Prat DMR Golden State Juvenile Fillies S: September Secret 62 Grazen P. Miller/R. Gonzalez DMR Golden State Juvenile S: Good With People 67 (Curlin to Mischief) P. Miller/R. Gonzalez PEN Shamrock Rose S: Plane Drunk 72 Stay Thirsty P. Schoenthal/E. Gonzalez MVR Ohio Debutante H: Edge of Night 65 (Added Edge) R. Gorham/C. Pilares GG Joseph T. Grace S: Camino Del Paraiso 95 (Suances-GB) O. Jauregui/C. Martinez GPW Cellars Shiraz S: American Giant 84 (More Than Ready) M. Trombetta/P. Lopez GPW Showing Up S: Monforte 85 (Carpe Diem) R. Gracida/E. Prado
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion... Rushing Fall ran incredibly
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Gosh… If only there was a place to have that discussion with someone like Andy Beyer, say at 9:20 on the Monday after Breeders’ Cup.
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That should be rich. 8 points higher ? How is Beyer gonna wiggle his way out of that one ?
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What did you have the race on your “no brain cells left dumbass” scale Dan?
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A buck three eighty.
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I would think Nashville vs Whitmore would be an interesting discussion as well.
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What did the runner up in Nashville’s race get Beyerwise in his prior start?
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I have a basic understanding of figures. I understand that tracks can change during the day depending on how much they water it, how the weather is, etc. This can explain why a track can have nearly identical times on a day and have different figures. I get that. What I have a harder time grasping is how they determine if it changed or not? Nashville ran super fast and broke the track record. Gamine did the same a couple of races later. Knicks Go did the same a couple of races later. Then came the Sprint. Whitmore's time was much slower than Nashville's yet he got a higher speed figure. Isn't that saying that the track slowed down? But then you come back with Monomoy Girl running a fast race and just missing the track record by .09 and then Authentic setting a track record a couple of races later.
Interesting stuff here.
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Second part of the question. If perhaps they thought to themselves "This is crazy and dangerous" after having Nashville, Gamine, and Knicks Go set track records.....so they slowed the track down.....that would make sense in explaining why Whitmore's race was "faster" than Nashville's race.
But if the track had been slowed down, wouldn't that mean that Monomoy Girl and Authentic should have received much higher figures, especially Monomoy Girl? If she only got 100 after just missing the track record, isn't that saying the track was fast? So was it fast for every race except the Sprint? Does that make sense?
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My GUESS is they used some discretion to augment Nashville's fig? Let's listen to Andy tomorrow.
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Monomoy Girl was just shy of the 9f track record that was recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:47.75, Noble Bird in the Fayette). Ignoring the new track record set by Nashville in Saturday's first race, Whitmore was just shy of the 6f track record that was also recorded in October during the 2016 fall meet (1:08.43, A.P. Indian in the Phoenix BC). The track records set earlier in the card were something like 3/5 to a full second faster than the previous marks. |
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BEYER CHARTING OF PERRYVILLE & BC SPRINT
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It's shaky evidence to say they did not slow the track down because she almost broke a track record (so did Whitmore) and because Authentic's hand-timed race was a track record at a distance hardly ever run at that track. |
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Thanks. If you give Nashville a 110 that means the runner up gets a 102. That’d be a 15 point jump from his last race which was his career best, 87.
Seems pretty unreasonable. It’s not an exact science but there is a method to the madness |
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How embarrassing is it that the Classic had to be hand timed?
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When you look at the big picture regarding Keeneland's management techniques during the meet, we should just be thankful they ran races on the grass and had competent video recordings of the races...
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