Never won on the dirt theory is dead - Page 2

kgar311 · #21 05-02-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No sane person can possibly think Pioneer of the Nile ran a particularly good race today. He clunked along faster than most of the others. Congratulations. One horse ran.....and eighteen didn't. Some just didn't show up a little ( or a lot ) more than others.

Musket Man ran with the track set up dead against him and he still finished second in my book

sdjcom · #22 05-02-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No sane person can possibly think Pioneer of the Nile ran a particularly good race today. He clunked along faster than most of the others. Congratulations. One horse ran.....and eighteen didn't. Some just didn't show up a little ( or a lot ) more than others.

18 horses didn't show up? after weeks of training work-outs and fine tuning only a couple of horses showed up? i don't buy it. The top four handled a tough track the others could not.

blackthroatedwind · #23 05-02-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

18 horses didn't show up? after weeks of training work-outs and fine tuning only a couple of horses showed up? i don't buy it. The top four handled a tough track the others could not.

You need to work on your reading comprehension if you ever expect me to respond to you again.

Danzig · #24 05-02-2009, 08:16 PM

like i just wrote in a pm, i don't trust the results. on that surface that they had today....i think it's a toss. who would use todays finish to bet these horses next time out? on a fast track? i wouldn't. and i picked musket man who seemed to run credibly. but who knows?
i wouldn't bet the winner back off that effort in two weeks. or the place horse for that matter. hell, mine that bird won by almost seven. how the hell does that flatter POTN? he sucked less then the others?

Danzig · #25 05-02-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

18 horses didn't show up? after weeks of training work-outs and fine tuning only a couple of horses showed up? i don't buy it. The top four handled a tough track the others could not.

the winner won by almost seven. seems to me he was the only one to really handle the track. they all finished. but only one finished well.

blackthroatedwind · #26 05-02-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Musket Man ran with the track set up dead against him and he still finished second in my book

Musket Man ran his usual unspectacular race. He's a very " nice " horse....but hardly of the quality one would hope for a Classic winner. He, along with Pioneer of the Nile, ran their expected races. They were good enough to lose the KY Derby by almost seven lengths. Sometimes that means you finish ninth and tenth....and once a century second and third.

The Indomitable DrugS · #27 05-02-2009, 08:19 PM

Musket Man running 4th was like my strongest opinion of the whole race after the scratches.

I thought he had it nailed down till the last desperate surge.

kgar311 · #28 05-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Musket Man ran his usual unspectacular race. He's a very " nice " horse....but hardly of the quality one would hope for a Classic winner. He, along with Pioneer of the Nile, ran their expected races. They were good enough to lose the KY Derby by almost seven lengths. Sometimes that means you finish ninth and tenth....and once a century second and third.

Musket Man wins with that trip on a fast track

gales0678 · #29 05-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Musket Man ran his usual unspectacular race. He's a very " nice " horse....but hardly of the quality one would hope for a Classic winner. He, along with Pioneer of the Nile, ran their expected races. They were good enough to lose the KY Derby by almost seven lengths. Sometimes that means you finish ninth and tenth....and once a century second and third.

andy - wouldn't it be best for the connections to skip the preakness , give the horse some rest and get ready for the summer at MTH/DEL/PHA , he s/b able to keep making checks for them in g3's no?

Danzig · #30 05-02-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Musket Man wins with that trip on a fast track

i wouldn't go that far. i picked him...but who knows what much of the rest of the field would have done if it was fast. not finish 10 or more lengths back of that monster, mine that bird.

Danzig · #31 05-02-2009, 08:22 PM

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andy - wouldn't it be best for the connections to skip the preakness , give the horse some rest and get ready for the summer at MTH/DEL/PHA , he s/b able to keep making checks for them in g3's no?

i'd take him to md, but i wouldn't go to ny for 1 1/2 with him.

justindew · #32 05-02-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Musket Man ran his usual unspectacular race. He's a very " nice " horse....but hardly of the quality one would hope for a Classic winner. He, along with Pioneer of the Nile, ran their expected races. They were good enough to lose the KY Derby by almost seven lengths. Sometimes that means you finish ninth and tenth....and once a century second and third.

I think the lesson here is that regardless of what Pioneerof The Nile did today or does in the future, you will under no circumstances ever admit that he's talented. I just don't see any scenario under which you would ever reverse course on this issue.

If he wins the Preakness or Belmont, it's because all the good horse got hurt.

If he wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, then it's because he's a synthetic horse.

If he wins multiple Grade Is this year and next, it's because of the relative mediocrity of the competition.

the_fat_man · #33 05-02-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

I think the lesson here is that regardless of what Pioneerof The Nile did today or does in the future, you will under no circumstances ever admit that he's talented. I just don't see any scenario under which you would ever reverse course on this issue.

Yo

Once the BEYER gang hammers out those super duper ARTI-FIGS, and the horse runs fast enough according to those figs, he'll be accepted.

Otherwise, he ain't **** and it's unusual circumstances that make him look good.

blackthroatedwind · #34 05-02-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

I think the lesson here is that regardless of what Pioneerof The Nile did today or does in the future, you will under no circumstances ever admit that he's talented. I just don't see any scenario under which you would ever reverse course on this issue.

If he wins the Preakness or Belmont, it's because all the good horse got hurt.

If he wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, then it's because he's a synthetic horse.

If he wins multiple Grade Is this year and next, it's because of the relative mediocrity of the competition.

When he runs almost as fast as Macho Again I will admit I was wrong about him. I'm still waiting.

sdjcom · #35 05-02-2009, 08:28 PM

who said this thread made no sense, everybody talking with opinions, i like it.

kgar311 · #36 05-02-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

who said this thread made no sense, everybody talking with opinions, i like it.

The off track favored polyrats end of story

sdjcom · #37 05-02-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

The off track favored polyrats end of story

We'll just see what JW has to say about that on Tuesday.

pointman · #38 05-02-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

I think the lesson here is that regardless of what Pioneerof The Nile did today or does in the future, you will under no circumstances ever admit that he's talented. I just don't see any scenario under which you would ever reverse course on this issue.

If he wins the Preakness or Belmont, it's because all the good horse got hurt.

If he wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, then it's because he's a synthetic horse.

If he wins multiple Grade Is this year and next, it's because of the relative mediocrity of the competition.

Do you really think POTN ran that great of a race today? He looked very tired in the stretch and barely hung on for the second. The best of this generation didn't run today and POTN couldn't beat what was left. Frankly, I am not all that impressed with POTN or anyone who ran today.

letswastemoney · #39 05-02-2009, 11:18 PM

There is nothing wrong with the synthetic figures!! It's a THIRD surface!! It's similar to the idea of winning a turf race and then trying dirt for the first time. Synthetic figures are their own figures and should not be changed to look faster.

blackthroatedwind · #40 05-02-2009, 11:21 PM

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And prior to this race your opinion of MTB was that he was of the quality of a Classic winner? If MM was only a "nice" horse tell me the jewel of a pick you flushed your money on today?

And just when I stopped laughing from you first post in two years......

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We were robbed. Cost me the exacta 3 times.