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Old 10-14-2019, 04:23 PM
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Owendale will run. Geroux status uncertain after breaking sternum Sunday..
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:32 PM
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@DRFGrening: Despite the 4th-place finish, trainer Jonathan Thomas did not rule out the BC for Catholic Boy. And if he goes, and it's far from certain that he would, it be would be the Classic. "To me, watching that, he would definitely scream a little more real estate," Thomas said.
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Old 10-14-2019, 06:11 PM
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The only thing less likely than Catholic Boy running in the BC is him hitting the board in any race he runs in.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:17 PM
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@DRFGrening: Despite the 4th-place finish, trainer Jonathan Thomas did not rule out the BC for Catholic Boy. And if he goes, and it's far from certain that he would, it be would be the Classic. "To me, watching that, he would definitely scream a little more real estate," Thomas said.
More real estate, like on a farm somewhere?
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:46 AM
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Dont yell at me for being ignorant but does Rosario have a ride in the Classic and which one is it?
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Dont yell at me for being ignorant but does Rosario have a ride in the Classic and which one is it?
McKinzie

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Old 10-16-2019, 12:32 PM
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McKinzie
Didn’t like his recent work . I’m tossing him .
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:59 PM
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Didn’t like his recent work . I’m tossing him .
I don’t like him at 10f, but there also isn’t much in here. That said, I’ll likely be looking for a bomber.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:22 PM
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The only thing less likely than Catholic Boy running in the BC is him hitting the board in any race he runs in.
Catholic Boy retired, will stand for $25,000

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Old 10-29-2019, 06:16 AM
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:55 AM
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Is there any way enough people bet on Elate for her to stay at 6/1? I know this isn’t a killer group, but I give her almost zero chance.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:57 PM
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Factoid: Owendale has never won 2 races in a row.

He and Mongolian Groom...

are the only two horses in the Classic to hold that distinct honor.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:09 PM
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I like H.P. for a longer price look....has won last three races after a defeat with a 1/5/1/2/1/3/? running line and the swami says it's time!....and he has a really nice nose...makes me want to smooch him!


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but I have to think either Mckinzie...


or Code of Honor...


is going to be in the exacta. I just have to find the other horse.
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Old 11-02-2019, 04:54 PM
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Over and under for the Distaff is 1:52
For the Classic, it’s 3:00. Ok, 2:04

I’m taking over on both.
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:47 PM
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Over and under for the Distaff is 1:52
For the Classic, it’s 3:00. Ok, 2:04

I’m taking over on both.
1:50.50 and 2:02.80.

Good thing Bricks stayed in his lane as well.
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Old 11-03-2019, 09:59 AM
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Good thing to you. Other people are allowed to have different opinions, no matter if you agree with them or not. You’re more of a traditionalist and that’s fine. I like to see challenges. It’s extremely easy and safe and even logical to see a horse like Bricks and Mortar run in the Turf and Midnight Bisou run in the Distaff. We know that they can handle those conditions. But you can’t tell me that as a fan, it wouldn’t have added more intrigue to the Classic to have both of them run there instead. Maybe I’m way off (and I’m sure you would say I am) but I believe that of Code of Honor or McKinzie had won the Classic, they probably win HoY with it, no matter what Bricks or Midnight did in their respective races. Bricks and Midnight both had divisional title a locked up even with loses. So I don’t think there was anything to lose by shooting for the bigger prize.
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Good thing to you. Other people are allowed to have different opinions, no matter if you agree with them or not. You’re more of a traditionalist and that’s fine. I like to see challenges. It’s extremely easy and safe and even logical to see a horse like Bricks and Mortar run in the Turf and Midnight Bisou run in the Distaff. We know that they can handle those conditions. But you can’t tell me that as a fan, it wouldn’t have added more intrigue to the Classic to have both of them run there instead. Maybe I’m way off (and I’m sure you would say I am) but I believe that of Code of Honor or McKinzie had won the Classic, they probably win HoY with it, no matter what Bricks or Midnight did in their respective races. Bricks and Midnight both had divisional title a locked up even with loses. So I don’t think there was anything to lose by shooting for the bigger prize.
My wife is my biggest fan she always wanted me to see me play in the NBA, I am +90% free throw shooter these guys can barely shoot 75% from the line.
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Old 11-03-2019, 11:35 AM
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Good thing to you. Other people are allowed to have different opinions, no matter if you agree with them or not. You’re more of a traditionalist and that’s fine. I like to see challenges. It’s extremely easy and safe and even logical to see a horse like Bricks and Mortar run in the Turf and Midnight Bisou run in the Distaff. We know that they can handle those conditions. But you can’t tell me that as a fan, it wouldn’t have added more intrigue to the Classic to have both of them run there instead. Maybe I’m way off (and I’m sure you would say I am) but I believe that of Code of Honor or McKinzie had won the Classic, they probably win HoY with it, no matter what Bricks or Midnight did in their respective races. Bricks and Midnight both had divisional title a locked up even with loses. So I don’t think there was anything to lose by shooting for the bigger prize.
Because YOU want to see owners that put huge sums of money into the game lose out on great opportunities for special moments, just so YOU can somehow get your jollies, says a great deal about who YOU are, not who I am. You have posted a steady stream of preposterous things on message boards over the years. Just because you type them doesn't make them smart, right, or clever.

There are times to take shots, no doubt, but there are also times where the appropriate spots are obvious. Clearly both Bricks and Mortar, as well as Midnight Bisou, ran in the right spots. Expected value matters, both positively and negatively. You say they had nothing to lose. Bricks and Mortar won $2 million yesterday, plus perhaps any bonuses tied to his stud deal, when he sealed up a Horse of the Year title that pretty much everyone other than you believe he would have gotten regardless of the Classic result.

Calling me a "traditionalist" ( you gotta love idiotic passive aggressive stupidity on the internet ) when all I am is realistic, while also being extremely well aware of times when taking risks are worthwhile, just shows how little you actually understand ( relative to what you think you understand ).
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Old 11-03-2019, 09:17 PM
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Midnight Bisou was scheduled to be sold at The November Sale, Fasig-Tipton's breeding stock sale in Lexington, but the ownership group of Bloom Racing, Madaket Stables, and Allen Racing elected to keep her in training, with Jeff Bloom, the head of Bloom Racing, saying the time is at hand for the Steve Asmussen-trained 4-year-old to take on the boys, perhaps in the Pegasus and/or the Saudi Cup.

"Will she run against the boys? Yes," Bloom said. "We'll look at the Pegasus and the Saudi Cup. She's been consistently happy and sound and thrives on her job, so as long as she wants to do it, we'll let her run. We'll work out a plan to get back to the Breeders' Cup."
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