Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-30-2015, 03:51 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 42,548
Default

5th (2:33) Kelso H. (G2)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Appealing Tale Talamo J 118 L
2 Honor Code Castellano J J 124 L
3 Scarly Charly Ortiz J L 113 L
4 Tamarkuz Ortiz I Jr 118 L
5 Red Vine Rosario J 116 L
6 Mylute Velazquez J R 114 L
7 Matterhorn Bravo J 116 L



6th (3:08) Flower Bowl S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Stephanie's Kitten Ortiz I Jr 121 L
2 Regardez (GB) Rosario J 119 L
MTO Rosalind Rosario J 121 L
4 America Alvarado J 119 L
5 Watsdachances (IRE) Bravo J 123 L
MTO Tiz So Sweet 119 L
7 Mutatis Mutandis (IRE) Velazquez J R 119 FTL
8 Curvy (GB) Lordan W M 121 FTL
9 Distorted Beauty Ortiz J L 119 L
10 Danza Cavallo (FR) Castellano J J 119 L



7th (3:43) Frizette S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 She's All Ready Alvarado J 120 L
2 Width Ortiz J L 120
3 Nemoralia Rosario J 120 FTL
4 Anna Rae Bravo J 120 L
5 Nickname Castellano J J 120 L
6 Desert Tune Velazquez J R 120
7 Where's the D Ortiz I Jr 120 L



8th (4:18) Champagne S. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Magna Light Ortiz J L 122 L
2 Greenpointcrusader Bravo J 122 L
3 Ready Dancer Velazquez J R 122 L
4 Sail Ahoy Rosario J 122
5 Ralis Castellano J J 122 L
6 Rafting Ortiz I Jr 122 FTL
7 Tale of S'avall Velasquez C 122 FTL
8 Sunny Ridge Alvarado J 122 L
9 Portfolio Manager Franco M 122 L



9th (4:53) Hill Prince S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Macher Luzzi M J 116 L
2 Vision Perfect Cancel E 116 L
3 Winter Springs (FR) Alvarado J 116 L
4 Jay Gatsby Jara F 116 FTL
5 Takeover Target Ortiz J L 120 L
6 Courtier Trujillo E 116 L
7 Royal Albert Hall (GB) Velazquez J R 116 L
8 Great Dancer (IRE) Bravo J 116 L
9 Money Multiplier Castellano J J 116 L
10 World Approval Rosario J 118 L
11 Tale of Life (JPN) Ortiz I Jr 116 L
12 Nonna's Boy Decarlo C P 116 L
MTO Good Luck Gus 116 L



10th (5:28) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Wicked Strong Rosario J 126 L
2 Coach Inge Ortiz I Jr 126 L
3 Constitution Castellano J J 126 L
4 Effinex Alvarado J 126 L
5 Looks to Spare Parker D L 126 L
6 Tonalist Velazquez J R 126 L
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-30-2015, 09:59 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-01-2015, 08:40 AM
FATPIANO's Avatar
FATPIANO FATPIANO is offline
Gulfstream Park
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: nys
Posts: 1,167
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.
actually it is a smart move by Shug,
__________________
Arrogate is the best horse since The Bid, and The Bid was better than Secretariat!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-01-2015, 09:54 AM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FATPIANO View Post
actually it is a smart move by Shug,
Didn't say it was dumb.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-01-2015, 11:50 AM
FATPIANO's Avatar
FATPIANO FATPIANO is offline
Gulfstream Park
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: nys
Posts: 1,167
Default

sorry, the word you used was lame
__________________
Arrogate is the best horse since The Bid, and The Bid was better than Secretariat!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-01-2015, 12:34 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-01-2015, 12:58 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.
And the JCGC isn't?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-01-2015, 01:26 PM
TouchOfGrey's Avatar
TouchOfGrey TouchOfGrey is offline
Hollywood Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Floral Park, NY
Posts: 921
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
And the JCGC isn't?
Shug said he didn't want to prep for 1 1/4 by running a 1 1/4. Used the Met Mile > Whitney as the example.
__________________
"An Absolute Thriller!!" - Grassy wins a six-way photo finish, Saratoga 9th, 8-22-09
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-01-2015, 02:20 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
And the JCGC isn't?
i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-01-2015, 02:28 PM
RHT2004 RHT2004 is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 4,829
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.
Agree.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-01-2015, 02:52 PM
pointman's Avatar
pointman pointman is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 15,693
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.
Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.

Last edited by pointman : 10-01-2015 at 03:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-01-2015, 05:40 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pointman View Post
Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.
but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-01-2015, 06:08 PM
pointman's Avatar
pointman pointman is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 15,693
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.
Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-01-2015, 08:17 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,733
Default

I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-01-2015, 08:25 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pointman View Post
Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?
Because you wrote

I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-01-2015, 08:39 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cakes44 View Post
I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?
Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be beneficial, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.

Last edited by ateamstupid : 10-01-2015 at 08:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-01-2015, 08:53 PM
cakes44's Avatar
cakes44 cakes44 is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,733
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be an advantage, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.
Yep, there you go then. Just seems like pussing these horses into the BC seems to work out more often than not nowadays. Not saying I'm a fan myself.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-01-2015, 09:31 PM
Danzig's Avatar
Danzig Danzig is offline
Dee Tee Stables
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The Natural State
Posts: 29,931
Default

I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.
__________________
Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all.
Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-01-2015, 09:49 PM
pointman's Avatar
pointman pointman is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 15,693
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig View Post
I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.
You suggested that if he ran poorly in the JCGC that it would not serve as a prep for Breeder's Cup. I suggested that being that he is unproven at the distance, they could answer that question by running in the JCGC. It could have the benefit of answering that question and if in the negative give the option to run at a mile with a set up for a situation he ran well off the last.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-01-2015, 10:15 PM
blackthroatedwind blackthroatedwind is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 9,931
Default

I think I'll defer to Shug. He's pretty good.

At the end of the day, his handling of Honor Code has been exceptional. Why would anyone question him now?
__________________
Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.