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07-31-2006, 05:41 PM
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Bing Crosby, Foul is a Foul?
I may have missed a few threads, but Bordonaro was clearly hit in the face w/ the whip and broke his stride, I think he would have won that race. Was a little suprised they didn't change the finish. I know it was not on purpose, but a foul is a foul. Any thoughts?
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07-31-2006, 05:48 PM
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well I just watched it on racereplays...and I picked out exactly where it happened...pretty darn obvious to me....comments are interesting on the site.
"If there was contact, it was not willful," Slender said, though he emphasized that the stewards never got to that point, because the initial review of film was inconclusive. Rule 1699, section (f), says if a jockey strikes another horse, "the mount may be disqualified." "When in doubt, don't disqualify," Baker said. Solis said he was "sure" Bordonaro was hit. "I wouldn't have claimed foul otherwise," he said.
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07-31-2006, 05:59 PM
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Photos of the race...
http://www.equidaily.com/ Photo of the stewards? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...7/Stooges3.jpg
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07-31-2006, 06:23 PM
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This is from TT.....
Steward Slender explains Bing Crosby decision Citing both inconclusive evidence and a lack of intent, Del Mar stewards explained their decision to uphold Pure as Gold as the upset winner of the Bing Crosby Handicap (G1) on Sunday despite an objection claiming that the gelding's jockey, Jon Court, struck second-place finisher Bordonaro on the nose with his whip at the eighth pole. Alex Solis, Bordonaro's jockey, said Court's whip caused Bordonaro to lose his action. Pure as Gold inched away to a half-length win at odds of 23.10-to-1, the longest shot in the field of six. Bordonaro was the 4-to-5 favorite. Stewards George Slender, Scott Chaney and Grant Baker studied films of the incident for several minutes before ruling there would be no change. "In our opinion, the tapes could not verify that the horse was actually hit," said Slender of the unanimous ruling. "In order to disqualify a horse, you better be darn sure you're correct." The comment line on the Equibase chart for the Bing Crosby says that Bordonaro appeared to be struck with a foe's whip. Slender said that even if contact had been verified, a disqualification would not necessarily have followed. "We spoke to both jockeys, and if there was contact, it wasn't willful," Slender said, explaining that California rules leave some leeway for the stewards to determine whether contact was deliberate and/or significant to the outcome of the race. Bill Spawr, Bordonaro's trainer, was disappointed with the decision. "I called it as soon as he did it," said Spawr after the 120-pound high weight had a four-race winning streak snapped. "Didn't you see his head go up in the air? He lost his stride. The other horse came out on him too." Solis added, "It wasn't a matter of 'I thought' he might have hit my horse, I was sure he hit my horse. I wouldn't have claimed foul otherwise. I also know that Jon didn't do that on purpose. But my horse was intimidated by what happened." The incident occurred two days after the disqualifaction of Past Tender (Ire) from a victory on July 28 at Del Mar, which prompted owner Jerry Jamgotchian to file a conflict of interest complaint against Slender. Jamgotchian has a pending lawsuit against Slender, in which he claims Slender seized his filly John's Kinda Girl and forced her to run in the seventh race at Del Mar on August 14, 2005. Jamgotchian's attorney, Ronald Caswell, said it was a conflict of interest for Slender to be involved in the disqualification decision. "Participation in a ruling by a biased steward is conduct detrimental to the interests of racing and further proof of Mr. Slender's personal animus against Mr. Jamgotchian," Ronald Caswell, Jamgotchian's attorney, wrote in a letter to CHRB Executive Director Ingrid Fermin and Chairman Robert Shapiro.—Steve Schuelein and Jeff Lowe http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...65451&subsec=2
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07-31-2006, 06:27 PM
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So, was the basic hold up math related. Which order of finish pays the most? Will it cost us more money to pay the long shot rather than the chalk? I always thought that they would rather see a chalk come in than a long shot. Hmmm.
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07-31-2006, 06:42 PM
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A very similar incident occured at Belmont on I believe June 18th, where Prado was aboard Rondo and accidentally hit another horse in the face. Rondo went on to win but the stewards got this incident right and took him down and I really can't see how the Del Mar stewards missed this one. Actually, I don't see how in hell they didn't take him down yesterday. I had no money invested but what a joke.
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07-31-2006, 08:03 PM
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Too late now.
Once the tickets are cashed, the ones that went home with money in their wallets aren't coming back to return their winning money. Too bad. Stewards don't get it right all the time either.
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07-31-2006, 08:08 PM
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I thought the post above with the following comment explained it:
Stewards George Slender, Scott Chaney and Grant Baker studied films of the incident for several minutes before ruling there would be no change. "In our opinion, the tapes could not verify that the horse was actually hit," said Slender of the unanimous ruling. I guess they missed it then. I would need a closer look also. They also stated that it had to be a willful smack?
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07-31-2006, 08:10 PM
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for all of you with calracing (free) accounts...check it out....make your own decisions but I think it's pretty clear...
three stewards...I don't know...something is fishy... I didn't have a penny invested either
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07-31-2006, 08:15 PM
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A total scam. Last year, the del mar stewards were taking everyone down and now they cant even get an obvious infraction in a stake race right.
There is nothing to even discuss here. The horse should have come down.
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07-31-2006, 08:18 PM
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07-31-2006, 08:20 PM
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It looked to me like he didn't actually make contact with the horse, but Bordonaro flinched at the prospect of being hit in the face.
Mine eyes have seen stranger things though. Has anyone actually seen the whip make contact with Bordonaro? If so, send me a picture or a link or something. I never saw it hit him. No money invested in the race, so I was fairly impartial.
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07-31-2006, 08:33 PM
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08-01-2006, 04:31 PM
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Photos from another angle.....
http://www.equidaily.com/
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08-01-2006, 06:48 PM
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Plenty obvious. Guess they didn't look at THAT camera angle.
I had no money on this race, but if I did, I'd be very annoyed. Once a horse has that kind of thing going on in his face, it disturbs all the training, all the effort, all the run....it's what makes a horse back off. Stewards should take their time to look at all of the angles. There are cameras everywhere. Once the "inquiry" is shown, there isn't a time limit. Very careless review, imho. They've been robbed!
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08-01-2006, 06:52 PM
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just saw pics on equidaily--the horse was hit by the whip. but like they said, the angle that equidaily showed was unavailable for the stewards. shame they can't get a shot that would help them make the right call, instead of a guess.
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