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Scav · #21 11-02-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He is talented, but at 2-1 or 5-2 he can beat me, and Ill keep it moving if he does. Im not gonna try to crush 50$ pick 3's to Moe. If I put myself in position w/ a price and something decent to Moe and huge to my 2 b's Ill be happy pre race.

Isn't the goal to be happy post race?

hockey2315 · #22 11-02-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He is talented, but at 2-1 or 5-2 he can beat me, and Ill keep it moving if he does. Im not gonna try to crush 50$ pick 3's to Moe. If I put myself in position w/ a price and something decent to Moe and huge to my 2 b's Ill be happy pre race.

I don't agree w/ your tossing of B@T, but I agree with your general line of thinking here. . .

RockHardTen1985 · #23 11-02-2010, 10:40 AM

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I don't agree w/ your tossing of B@T, but I agree with your general line of thinking here. . .

If I think Uncle Moe is much better, why would I use both when the prices might be similar? I think Stay Thirsty has a shot, a lot of other dont. He will be 10-1 or close to it. Id rather use him. He stumbled, was gunned ot the top and ran OK vs B@T who pulled a dream trip.

RockHardTen1985 · #24 11-02-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Isn't the goal to be happy post race?

If you hit 1,2 of these pick 3's your getting paid. Especially if your going to bet the way Im going to.

hockey2315 · #25 11-02-2010, 10:43 AM

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If I think Uncle Moe is much better, why would I use both when the prices might be similar? I think Stay Thirsty has a shot, a lot of other dont. He will be 10-1 or close to it. Id rather use him. He stumbled, was gunned ot the top and ran OK vs B@T who pulled a dream trip.

Stay Thirsty is slow.

Jaycito was given a terrible ride last time and still won impressively. He's very dangerous.

RockHardTen1985 · #26 11-02-2010, 10:44 AM

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Stay Thirsty is slow.

Jaycito was given a terrible ride last time and still won impressively. He's very dangerous.

I guess, but I think he is slow. Stay Thirsty cant improve? Is it that plain and simple?

hockey2315 · #27 11-02-2010, 10:50 AM

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I guess, but I think he is slow. Stay Thirsty cant improve? Is it that plain and simple?

Any 2yo can improve, but has he improved at all in the first three starts? He's run close to the same race each time, and that race isn't good enough.

ateamstupid · #28 11-02-2010, 10:58 AM

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Isn't the goal to be happy post race?

unless you're Randall and don't have to worry about that. He's always happy.

Tossing Boys at Tosconova and Jaycito in favor of Stay Thirsty is lunacy.

RockHardTen1985 · #29 11-02-2010, 11:00 AM

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unless you're Randall and don't have to worry about that. He's always happy.

Tossing Boys at Tosconova and Jaycito in favor of Stay Thirsty is lunacy.

Thats about the same opinion as everyone else.

ateamstupid · #30 11-02-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Thats about the same opinion as everyone else.

OK, Copernicus, there's a reason for that.

hockey2315 · #31 11-02-2010, 11:04 AM

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Thats about the same opinion as everyone else.

Like I said, I disagree with you in this specific case, but I love what you're saying. You may be turning a corner.

ateamstupid · #32 11-02-2010, 11:05 AM

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Like I said, I disagree with you in this specific case, but I love what you're saying. You may be turning a corner.

He'll turn the other three within the hour.

RockHardTen1985 · #33 11-02-2010, 11:08 AM

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OK, Copernicus, there's a reason for that.

I appreciate this, finally the respect I deserve.

lemoncrush · #34 11-02-2010, 11:18 AM

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I appreciate this, finally the respect I deserve.

Haha.... I think Mo has an excellent chance, but you're love of Stay Thirsty and your disdain for Boys of Tosconova has nothing to do with the distance, pace scenerio or any other legitimate race dynamics of the BC Juvy, which is my problem with your opinion.

It's all based on you being a "superfan" of Stay Thirsty and thinking he's going to develop into a superhorse. And, that you wanted to beat BOT in the Hopeful, and lost. So now you want to try to beat him again, and get your money back.

That's not a smart way to handicap and bet in my opinion, but good luck.

RockHardTen1985 · #35 11-02-2010, 11:20 AM

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Haha.... I think Mo has an excellent chance, but you're love of Stay Thirsty and your disdain for Boys of Tosconova has nothing to do with the distance, pace scenerio or any other legitimate race dynamics of the BC Juvy, which is my problem with your opinion.

It's all based on you being a "superfan" of Stay Thirsty and thinking he's going to develop into a superhorse. And, that you wanted to beat BOT in the Hopeful, and lost. So now you want to try to beat him again, and get your money back.

That's not a smart way to handicap and bet in my opinion, but good luck.

I think UM is far and away the most likely winner. B@T had a dream trip last out, it has nothing to do with my love for Stay Thirsty. I feel he ran good enough, and yes I do think he should improve.

NTamm1215 · #36 11-02-2010, 11:23 AM

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I think UM is far and away the most likely winner. B@T had a dream trip last out, it has nothing to do with my love for Stay Thirsty. I feel he ran good enough, and yes I do think he should improve.

What circumstances are going to lead to a Stay Thirsty victory?

Is he going to go to the front, get the lead and stay? Doubtful with JP's Gusto and his own stablemate in the field.

Is he going to rate and finish? He had dead aim in his debut and didn't pass the eventual winner. Wishcasting that he is suddenly going to be able to rate is a horrible idea.

The respective trips of Stay Thirsty and Boys at Tosconova in the Hopeful are not enough to bridge the gap between the two. Boys at Tosconova is a much better horse right now and I don't see how you could use Stay Thirsty over him.

RockHardTen1985 · #37 11-02-2010, 11:25 AM

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What circumstances are going to lead to a Stay Thirsty victory?

Is he going to go to the front, get the lead and stay? Doubtful with JP's Gusto and his own stablemate in the field.

Is he going to rate and finish? He had dead aim in his debut and didn't pass the eventual winner. Wishcasting that he is suddenly going to be able to rate is a horrible idea.

The respective trips of Stay Thirsty and Boys at Tosconova in the Hopeful are not enough to bridge the gap between the two. Boys at Tosconova is a much better horse right now and I don't see how you could use Stay Thirsty over him.

Rate. THe horse he could not pass in his debut is a freak, who was cranked up.

ateamstupid · #38 11-02-2010, 11:37 AM

My only slight concern with Boys at Tosconova is his ability to go two turns. Officer is a strict sprint influence, but there appears to be distance on the damside and he was super professional in the 7-furlong Hopeful off of just two 5-furlong races.

parsixfarms · #39 11-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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The respective trips of Stay Thirsty and Boys at Tosconova in the Hopeful are not enough to bridge the gap between the two. Boys at Tosconova is a much better horse right now and I don't see how you could use Stay Thirsty over him.

I'll preface this comment by saying that I'm not enamored with Stay Thirsty in this spot. I thought the Iroquios/KY Jockey Club route would have been perfect for him.

However, if one were forced to make a case for him vis-a-vis Boys at Tosconova, in a race likely to feature a legit pace, Stay Thirsty's conformation and pedigree might provide a basis to think he could turn the tables in a two-turn 8.5F race where BAT has not run in nearly ten weeks. I can't imagine that Stay Thirsty will be up on the pace with his more celebrated stablemate (Uncle Mo) already there, and he's actually one of the few horses in the race that has a "classic"-type pedigree.

parsixfarms · #40 11-02-2010, 11:41 AM

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My only slight concern with Boys at Tosconova is his ability to go two turns. Officer is a strict sprint influence, but there appears to be distance on the damside and he was super professional in the 7-furlong Hopeful off of just two 5-furlong races.

While his dam won the majority of her $$ going long, there's not a lot of distance in that female family.