'17 CROWN TRAIL THREAD: Always Dreaming; Cloud Computing; Tapwrit

[Kasept]

Channing Hill gets call on Fast and Accurate..

[Kasept]

Todd Pletcher gives Tyler Gaffalione the call on Patch..

[pmayjr]

Steve (or anyone else on here can help me),

If Pletcher's 3 horses make the gate for the race- does that tie D. Wayne Lukas' record for number of Kentucky Derby entrants all-time? Or does it break it?

[bare it all]

What are thoughts on the 'other' Casse horse, State of Honor?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by bare it all

What are thoughts on the 'other' Casse horse, State of Honor?

Rock solid.. May not be ideally suited for 10f, but watching his races, gives if asked and is doing very well here. Hard to know where he'll be placed given Lezcano propensity for taking back and colt's best efforts which come on/near lead. Perhaps the most interesting of the long prices.

[bare it all]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Rock solid.. May not be ideally suited for 10f, but watching his races, gives if asked and is doing very well here. Hard to know where he'll be placed given Lezcano propensity for taking back and colt's best efforts which come on/near lead. Perhaps the most interesting of the long prices.

Thanks for the note. I like a horse who's had some races in him. I like him, Sonneteer and Tapwrit for the odds they'll have.

Can't wait to see post positions.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Steve (or anyone else on here can help me),

If Pletcher's 3 horses make the gate for the race- does that tie D. Wayne Lukas' record for number of Kentucky Derby entrants all-time? Or does it break it?

Going into Saturday..

D. Wayne Lukas (1981-2015) 48/4-1-5 ~ Winning Colors (1988), Thunder Gulch (’95), Grindstone (’96), Charismatic (’99)

Todd Pletcher (2000-2016) 45/1-2-3 ~ Super Saver (2010)

[Kasept]

Epicharis confirmed for Belmont Stakes; eligible for $1M bonus
By Dave Grening

Epicharis, the Japanese-bred 3-year-old who would have been eligible to run in Saturday’s Kentucky Derby, was confirmed as a starter for the $1.5 million Belmont Stakes on June 10, it was announced late Tuesday night.

Should he win the Belmont, Epicharis would earn his connections a $1 million bonus the New York Racing Association announced earlier this year it was offering for any Japanese-based horse that would come and win the 1 1-2-mile race. That is on top of the $800,000 first-place purse.

It is expected that the Belmont will be offered for wagering in Japan, making it the first Triple Crown race available for simulcast in that country. Wagering will be conducted through a separate, non-commingled pool.

This will mark the second straight year that a Japanese-bred horse will run in the Belmont Stakes. Last year, Lani participated in all three Triple Crown races, his best finish being a third in the Belmont behind Creator and Destin.

Epicharis, a son of Gold Allure trained by Kiyoshi Hagiwara, won his first four starts before getting beat a nose by Thunder Snow in the $2 million UAE Derby at Meydan on March 27. Epicharis had been eligible to compete in the Kentucky Derby by earning the most qualifying points from two races that Churchill Downs dubbed as the Japan Road to the Kentucky Derby.

Epicharis is expected to ship to Belmont on June 1. His regular rider Christophe Lemaire will have the mount.

Epicharis is owned by U. Carrot Farm, a Japanese-based syndicate that won the 2005 American Oaks at Hollywood Park with Cesario, believed to be the first Japanese-bred Grade 1 winner in the U.S.

[Kasept]

143rd KENTUCKY DERBY

1 Lookin at Lee (Steve Asmussen/Corey Lanerie) 20-1
2 Thunder Snow (Saeed bin Suroor/Christophe Soumillon) 20-1
3 Fast and Accurate (Mike Maker/Channing Hill) 50-1
4 Untrapped (Steve Asmussen/Ricardo Santana Jr.) 30-1
5 Always Dreaming (Todd Pletcher/John Velazquez) 5-1
6 State of Honor (Mark Casse/Jose Lezcano) 30-1
7 Girvin (Joe Sharp/Mike Smith) 15-1
8 Hence (Steve Asmussen/Florent Geroux 15-1
9 Irap (Doug O'Neill/Mario Guttierez) 20-1
10 Gunnevera (Antonio Sano/Javier Castellano) 15-1
11 Battle of Midway (Jerry Hollendorfer/Flavian Prat) 30-1
12 Sonneteer (Keith Desormeaux/Kent Desormeaux) 50-1
13 J Boys Echo (Dale Romans/Luis Saez) 20-1
14 Classic Empire (Mark Casse/Julien Leparoux) 4-1
15 McCraken (Ian Wilkes/Brian Hernandez Jr.) 5-1
16 Tapwrit (Todd Pletcher/Jose Ortiz) 20-1
17 Irish War Cry (Graham Motion/Rajiv Maragh) 6-1
18 Gormley (John Shirreffs/Victor Espinoza) 15-1
19 Practical Joke (Chad Brown/Joel Rosario) 20-1
20 Patch (Todd Pletcher/Tyler Gaffalione) 30-1
AE/21. Royal Mo (John Shirreffs/Gary Stevens) 20-1
AE/22. Master Plan (Todd Pletcher/) 50-1

[hondo]

Steve ...thanks

Your opinion....who was compromised who was helped...Appears to be speed seated in 2-6 except Untrapped)...#1 Lookin at Lee a closer so may not be hurt. Classic Empire and Mc Craken look good. Irish War Cry got the 0fer spot but is outside where probably really wanted to be.

[Rudeboyelvis]

The draw soundly eliminated 7 horses for me. CE drawing 14 may need to be reconsidered as much as I loathe his chances. If any horse is going to win from 17 Irish War Cry one that can certainly accomplish it.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The draw soundly eliminated 7 horses for me. CE drawing 14 may need to be reconsidered as much as I loathe his chances. If any horse is going to win from 17 Irish War Cry one that can certainly accomplish it.

Its there for the taking for irish war cry and 6-1 would be nice. I think winner is from posts 14 through 17.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Its there for the taking for irish war cry and 6-1 would be nice. I think winner is from posts 14 through 17.

I think so too, Tom. Though I am not dismissing Hence/Irap yet. Absolutely love where McCracken and Tapwrit drew.

[Kitan]

DRF entries has an interesting lineup for the race...

[bare it all]

Originally Posted by Kitan

DRF entries has an interesting lineup for the race...

Oh I think I'd take 3yo Giants Causeway there.

[Hoblin]

Originally Posted by Kitan

DRF entries has an interesting lineup for the race...

That's the morning line for the Derby Sire future wager offered Thanksgiving weekend. The best values there are #2 Bodemeister, which will pay $63.60 on Always Dreaming, #4 Curlin ($31.20 on Irish War Cry), and #24 All Others ($9.80 on eleven horses in the field)

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

What 7 are u thinking. 4 inside, 3 outside?

[Kasept]

5/20: Preakness Possibles/Probables

Always Dreaming (Pletcher)
Classic Empire (Casse)*
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen)*
Gunnevara (Sano)*
Royal Mo (Shirreffs)
Three Rules (Pinchin)
Senior Investment (McPeek)
Cloud Computing (Brown)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Malagacy (Pletcher)

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Kasept

5/20: Preakness Possibles/Probables

Always Dreaming (Pletcher)
Classic Empire (Casse)*
Lookin At Lee (Asmussen)*
Gunnevara (Sano)*
Royal Mo (Shirreffs)
Three Rules (Pinchin)
Senior Investment (McPeek)
Cloud Computing (Brown)
Conquest Mo Money (Hernandez)
Malagacy (Pletcher)

Strong pace

[10 pnt move up]

Just feels like a couple years ago, you have a pretty nice horse in the Derby winner and not much else, in fact the crop seems even weaker than AP triple crown year. Its hard to find much to nag about with the Derby winner and he just doesnt have to beat much the next two races.

Quick turnaround is the issue given the barn never does that much.