The sad cost of war

[GPK]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/us/02suicide.html?hp

"The number of suicides reported by the Army has risen to the highest level since record-keeping began three decades ago. Last year, there were 192 among active-duty soldiers and soldiers on inactive reserve status, twice as many as in 2003, when the war began. (Five more suspected suicides are still being investigated.) This year’s figure is likely to be even higher: from January to mid-July, 129 suicides were confirmed or suspected, more than the number of American soldiers who died in combat during the same period."

[SOREHOOF]

Suicide rates are going up across the board over the last 30 yrs. All walks of life. It must seem an acceptable option to some people who are in a bad state of mind. It is an act of rage. A very close friend of mine did that. Not cool.

The market is up, the printer is up, the suicides are up, unemployment is up.

Change we can believe in.

[SOREHOOF]

It's been going on longer than that.

[dellinger63]

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

i'm used to wild swings in the conversation and i'm good with the free flow of internet conversations.

i just want to make sure everyone else is at my level and no one would object if i post some random pictures of an interesting rock, a map of ecuador, and my nephew here in the "military suicide" thread.

i'll also be discussing cool music i like.

let me know.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about health care. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.) Yesterday I saw some fat White Trash interrupt a Congressman when he said "let me tell you the facts."

White Trash Momma: "No!!"

(congressman keeps trying to talk)

White Trash Momma: ..Why?"

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm used to wild swings in the conversation and i'm good with the free flow of internet conversations.

i just want to make sure everyone else is at my level and no one would object if i post some random pictures of an interesting rock, a map of ecuador, and my nephew here in the "military suicide" thread.

i'll also be discussing cool music i like.

let me know.

I did mess up and intended to make a new thread. But go ahead and post that interesting rock you have.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They want to know the false claims out there. It's not like they are gunna prosecute people for telling lies about healthcare. They just want to know what trash they've got to pick up. The party had a V.P. Candidate telling lies the whole 2nd half of the campaign(remember Palin said OBAMA was gunna raise taxes on people making all the way down to 150k...these are not people that are interested in truth....they just want their way.)

Very dictator like....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Very dictator like....

Yep. The trash that shows up disrupting these Town Hall Meetings does remind me of those thugs in Iran that get around on motorcycles.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yep. The trash that shows up disrupting these Town Hall Meetings does remind me of those thugs in Iran that get around on motorcycles.

Maybe Iran is where Obama got this crazy BIG BROTHER idea? He can't even release results of his own program (Cash for Clunkers rip-off) but wants citizens to report dissenters?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sickening

“I am not aware of any precedent for a President asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...amendment.html

Oh, please. There are alot of lies being told, repeatedly and publically - yes, by Republicans - about what the health care reform bill involves. The White House is meeting all the false allegations head on.

The lies are pretty sickening, indeed. Threatening older people that they will have to choose to die, because there will not be health care for them? Nauseating.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They aren't interested in communication. They are interested in simply disruption.

Some are real people, some are being delivered to the Town Hall meetings with instructions on how to disrupt. The Dems are responding to this now by trying to spotlight it, as they did Palin and her more extreme wackjob followers.

Edit: I read somewhere that they might try restricting local town hall meetings to those that actually live in the District.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Maybe Iran is where Obama got this crazy BIG BROTHER idea? He can't even release results of his own program (Cash for Clunkers rip-off) but wants citizens to report dissenters?

You're mischaracterizing - purposely? - what is being asked. There is no "big brother', there is no "report dissenters".

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, please. There are alot of lies being told, repeatedly and publically - yes, by Republicans - about what the health care reform bill involves. The White House is meeting all the false allegations head on.

The lies are pretty sickening, indeed. Threatening older people that they will have to choose to die, because there will not be health care for them? Nauseating.

All you need to do is look at all the great success government has when it runs anything vs the private sector. Schools and the Post Office come immediately to mind. What's nauseating is watching a President talk of how all this preventative care will save money in between smoke breaks during which his obese nominee for surgeon general preaches the great cost obesity related illness has on all of us.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're mischaracterizing - purposely? - what is being asked. There is no "big brother', there is no "report dissenters".

fowarding private emails on instructions from the White House of people opposed to the plan is Big Brother IMO and instead of calling those people supporters I used the word dissenters. Sorry I could have called them anti-socialist.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

fowarding private emails on instructions from the White House of people opposed to the plan is Big Brother IMO and instead of calling those people supporters I used the word dissenters. Sorry I could have called them anti-socialist.

Then you'd better call the Republicans Big Brother, too, as they have mailed out instructions about how to disrupt Town Hall meetings and squash all discussion, who to attack personally and how, etc.

It's politics pure and simple, and it's gonna get pretty hot in the next few weeks on both sides.

And there were those little Constitutional pecadillos by Cheney and company ...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

All you need to do is look at all the great success government has when it runs anything vs the private sector. Schools and the Post Office come immediately to mind. What's nauseating is watching a President talk of how all this preventative care will save money in between smoke breaks during which his obese nominee for surgeon general preaches the great cost obesity related illness has on all of us.

What schools does the federal government run? ( edit: West Point?)

Local governments? Let's see, clean potable water, sewer service, garbage pickup, police and fire protection, snow clearing from roads, and excellent schools in many locations - all little niceties that make life liveable.

Federal? Medicare, Pell grants, veterans hospitals, Centers for Disease Control ...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then you'd better call the Republicans Big Brother, too, as they have mailed out instructions about how to disrupt Town Hall meetings and squash all discussion, who to attack personally and how, etc.

It's politics pure and simple, and it's gonna get pretty hot in the next few weeks on both sides.

And there were those little Constitutional pecadillos by Cheney and company ...

Funny I got no instructions and I'm a true blue Republcan. Can you post the instructions you got or are you just making this up?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Funny I got no instructions and I'm a true blue Republcan. Can you post the instructions you got or are you just making this up?

Nobody said you were to get instruction personally.

Seriously, sometimes I worry about you

Check out any politically-oriented website not FoxNews. Internal memos sent out by the GOP have been recently published, too.

Edit: and don't call yourself a true blue Republican, call yourself a red-blooded Republican <g>