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Old 11-13-2017, 08:07 PM
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Good news on ATR today from Johnny D. that the PA Racing Comission lifted the 35 mile radius restriction for tracks and ADW usage. That rule was absolutely unconstitutional in that it restricted free trade in an unfair manner. PA has a history of doing things like that and just figuring people will eventually sue them.

Took awhile, but a bad restriction was taken down, although not before funneling bets to a single ADW for years.

For that last 10+ years I was restricted because I lived within 35 miles of Harrah's Chester. They are a Harness/Casino in Chester, PA. I don't go there and don't bet harness. However, I had to use pabets.tvg.com because of where I lived. That's a subset of TVG, run through Oregon. I couldn't bet many tracks, especially UK and HK. No rewards or bonuses.

The track and SB horsemen got a cut of that. I'd have no problem using an ADW through them if it gave me a decent selection and benefits. A decent product. However, they selected the heavy-handed method. Good riddance.
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Old 11-14-2017, 08:57 AM
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This is great news. It's about time.

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Old 11-14-2017, 09:09 AM
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Will this open up PA to Nyrabets, TVG etc.....?
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:49 PM
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3Kings, yes it should. How quickly they are making changes, I don't know. Previously, they had you blocked by zip code when trying to establish an account. I'm within 35 miles of Harrah's, and as such, could only use their ADW, which was outsourced to TVG as pabets.tvg.com. No other ADW would take me, however I was able to play with BetAmerica, why I don't know. I was also able to use my Parx phonebet account, which I've had for 30 years.

I realize what they were trying to do, insure that money was directed to the local horsemen, but they offered a sub-standard product. I would look at TVG.com and then log in, be redirected to pabets.tvg.com and half of the tracks would vanish. I'm OK with local horsemen getting a cut of any money bet in PA. In fact, I'm greatly in favor of it. However, I'd like that done on the back end, out of sight. I'd like to bet with my choice of ADW's and get track odds and good service. All the bigger units are all approved in PA and work accordingly.

Steve was talking about this today. It really is huge. Pennsylvania has close to 13 million people and these restricted zones covered most of the populated areas of the state. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, Scranton and Erie were all restricted. Most likely 80% of possible horseplayers in PA.

I always felt that restriction was unconstitutional, if ever challenged. Unfortunately, nobody ever seriously challenged it. It was like saying if you lived a certain zip code, you must buy your groceries at Giant. Not ACME or Shop Rite. Most people would be outraged by having no choice. That is how most of us felt.

Very good day for PA horseplayers. Looking at closing some accounts and opening new ones. Going to shop.

Although, must give kudos to XPressbet. They had The Meadows franchise and a good friend, Rob L. in Pittsburg, had much better services than I. He could bet AUS, HK, UK, any. Plus got PP's and video. Was very happy with service.
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:30 AM
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Has anyone in PA been able to sign up for previously restricted ADW's?
I tried NYRA Bets but still can't sign up. What about Bet PTC? Have they opened up to PA residents again?
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:49 PM
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They have closed almost all otbs in southwest pa so adw was about the only game in town...will be nice to be able to bonus shop abit now
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:19 PM
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PA Racing Commission didn't even issue Press Release. I only heard it from Johnny D on ATR. Not sure the ADW's even know.

Surprised they lifted this. The original intention was to force bets into an ADW that had an agreement with local horsemen's groups. I'm OK with that, but never agreed with limiting us to one ADW. Plus the ADW's gave us limited service and certainly rewards. We were corralled into a place we didn't deserve.

I always thought it was unconstitutional. Was a clear restraint of trade. Why could we not have options if they would contribute to the horsemen ?

I just wonder why out of the clear blue sky they changed.

Money. PA is crooked as a bad river. God bless Brian Sanfrantello and the PA Breeders. Do a great job in an awful situation.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:05 AM
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Jnunan4758, I live near you and have received offers from DRF Bets and Express Bet to join.

I called NYRAbets to see if they would let me use my existing account and NYRAbets declined. They don’t allow PA residents in PA to bet online. I use NYRAbets when I’m at Saratoga, but that’s it.

My buddy has 2 residences and switched his NYRAbets address from PA to FL and now he can use NYRAbets when he is sitting in his PA house. NYRAbets has to revisit their restrictions on PA residents.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:50 PM
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Agreed. I got denied and my friend in Pittsburgh got denied. Not sure what is going on with NYRABets, but if they are looking for clients, missing a big opportunity.

I'm wondering about the Commission ruling. This came out of nowhere. They don't publish the meeting stuff for months. There was no mention of it even being considered. I've sent letters and emails for years and never got an answer from the commission members or any politicians.

The only thing I can think is that the 35 mile restriction may be part of the Slots law. A ruling by the Racing Commission can't change the law. Maybe they are hesitant to accept accounts in case Harrah's comes in and challenges or sues.

I worked for years on the Slots Law and PA Racing and was frustrated beyond belief. Pay to Play, Backroom deals and Corruption are the norm. Nothing is as it appears. The Layer Cake.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:12 AM
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Horse racing is finally getting into the 20th century!
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:17 PM
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I'm still trying to find anything about this from the PA State Racing Commission. (Interesting name because PA is not a state but a commonwealth) The only think I could find was that an ADW must be approved and pay PA 10% of their handle from PA residents. My pal tried to sign up for NYRABets and was told no. He also tried TVG, who told him he couldn't have full TVG, but only pabets.tvg.com. That is a restrictive subset of TVG and offers less promos and virtually no rewards, plus no GB racing or HK.

My guess is that the handle cut is the issue. XPressbet wzs already in PA at the Meadows, so I assume they just spread the coverage of these restricted products. XPressbet is an upgrade to TVG as far as coverage (but no HK anymore). I'm not sure NYRABets is even available outside the 35 mile track radius.

DRF Bets is just a storefront and is really Xpressbet. They have all the software in place to give PA horsemen and state their cut.

So it looked like a good thing and might turn out to be only marginally so.

So not only does PA have the highest takeout on bettors, it probably has the highest takeout on ADWs too. An unfriendly place for the horseplayer.
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Yeah, this was all a big deal about nothing. Only the "approved" ADW's were allowed to spread their areas. These are mostly nasty versions of the real ADW product, such as TVG.

The problem is the horsemen's assoc. taking an above average cut of any ADW bet in PA. Same reason takeout is so high.

What state or jusisdiction has a director of a horsemen's association on the Racing Commission Board ? That's absurd. He is adjudicating on members of his organization. And never abstains. He sits in judgement on the people who pay his large salary.

I encourage any PA horseplayers to go to their meetings. They are open to the public and you can ask to be heard. Dr. Brian Langois goes to every one. They must hate him and frequently show their disdain for him expressing his concerns. They try to give him the bum's rush and treat him like a nucance. He's mostly concerned with horse health and safety, which is great, but we need other areas represented.

You couldn't make up what goes on in PA. Most people think the Commonwealth is behind the high takeout, but from what I'v found out, they only take a maximum of 2.5% on any bet. The 30% take out trifectas are a 27.5% split between the horsemen and track. The horsemen at Philly have the same barns from the 1970's. Are they any better ? No, but if you rock the boat, you lose stalls and get positives and fines and day.

They deny, but I was in the business for 20 years. The PA Racinos want racing to go away. It's a boil on their ass. However, the law says no racing, no casino. So they want it to die and then be able at some point to be able to de-couple. Say "Racing is a subsidized, out of date thing and it's costing taxpayers millions" Meanwhile they invest nothing, promote nothing and discourage everything.
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