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Old 08-17-2016, 03:33 PM
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Default 8/20-21 (SAR): Alabama, Fourstardave (G1's), Troy; Lake Placid (G1)

5th (3:15) Troy S.

5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Spring to the Sky Luzzi M J 120 L
2 High Noon Rider Santana R Jr 120 Blk-On L
3 Asset Inflation Arroyo A S 118 L
4 Long On Value Rosario J 123 L
5 Green Mask Velazquez J R 118 L
6 Songsational Lezcano J 116 L
7 Calgary Cat Castellano J J 116 L
MTO Weekend Hideaway Saez L 123 L
9 Disco Partner Ortiz J L 116 L
MTO Holy Boss Velazquez J R 123 L
11 Rainbow Heir Ortiz I Jr 116 L



9th (5:40) Fourstardave H. (G1)

1 Mile (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 King Kreesa Ortiz I Jr 118 L
2 Grand Arch Saez L 118 L
3 Reporting Star Carmouche K 117 L
4 Force the Pass Ortiz J L 119 L
5 Blacktype (FR) Bravo J 116 L
6 Ring Weekend Velazquez J R 119 L
7 A Lot Castellano J J 116 L
8 Tourist Rosario J 118 L
9 Takeover Target Franco M 119 L



10th (6:18) Alabama S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 Dark Nile Bravo J 121 L
2 Weep No More Lanerie C J 121 L
3 Going for Broke Ortiz I Jr 121 L
4 Go Maggie Go Saez L 121 L
5 Family Tree Geroux F 121 L
6 Songbird Smith M E 121 L
7 Flora Dora Esquivel E 121 Blk-On L
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Old 08-17-2016, 06:24 PM
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I'll be wagering on Go Maggie Go.
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Old 08-17-2016, 07:33 PM
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I'll be wagering on Go Maggie Go.
Can I book your action?

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Old 08-17-2016, 08:06 PM
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I'll be wagering on Go Maggie Go.
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Can I book your action?

Paul
Joey you need to seriously respect this opinion and make sure you cover other options. You are having a great meet, don't let an ego get in the way.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:15 PM
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Mark it down, Songbird will lose this race.
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Old 08-17-2016, 09:46 PM
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Mark it down, Songbird will lose this race.
It does kind of feel like it.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:09 PM
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Mark it down, Songbird will lose this race.
As a pace casualty, or just fails to fire?

I know workouts are a completely different animal, but she looks like she relishes the track.

GL in your attempt to beat her.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:14 AM
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It does kind of feel like it.
I have no idea or any real opinion on the race.....its just someone on another thread said the same thing with no context or reasoning before her last race....so I was just trying to fit in here.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:32 AM
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The extra panel always makes gamblers thirsty...but in this race who do you trust to sit off the pace?

Depending on Rusty Arnold in a Grade 1 is borderline lunacy.

Family Tree could close but cannot depend on Geroux to keep this horse in the right spot especially with the way he's riding the meet.

Flora Dora coming off a career best?

Ugh. Good luck beating Songbird AND finding real value.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:18 AM
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If you're playing against Songbird, you're figuring for at least two of the following three things:

She is softened up by Go Maggie Go early
She is softened up by a Family Tree middle move
She is vulnerable in the tenth furlong with some decent closers moving late

Admittedly, I don't think Songbird is nearly as good as most people do. The best horse she's beaten to date is Carina Mia, who is a sprinter/miler. She will likely not get to dictate terms here and that can increase her vulnerability. She is clearly a very good horse, but that shouldn't preclude anyone from playing against her in the multis, where you will get tremendous value.

I will try to get alive in a multi race play to Family Tree, Going for Broke and Weep No More. There's a good chance I'll lose, but it's worth the gamble.
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Old 08-18-2016, 03:18 PM
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SUN 8th (5:02) Lake Placid S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Time and Motion Velazquez J R 118 L
2 Catch a Glimpse Geroux F 122 L
3 Outsider Art Franco M 114 Blk-On L
4 Pricedtoperfection Ortiz I Jr 120 L
5 Elysea's World (IRE) Castellano J J 114 L
6 My Impression Ortiz J L 118 L
7 Diamond Fields (IRE) Alvarado J 114 L
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:56 AM
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SUN 8th (5:02) Lake Placid S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Time and Motion Velazquez J R 118 L
2 Catch a Glimpse Geroux F 122 L
3 Outsider Art Franco M 114 Blk-On L
4 Pricedtoperfection Ortiz I Jr 120 L
5 Elysea's World (IRE) Castellano J J 114 L
6 My Impression Ortiz J L 118 L
7 Diamond Fields (IRE) Alvarado J 114 L

Steve you have the Thorograph fig for My Impression's last? While against MUCH weaker that reply intrigues me
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Old 08-19-2016, 12:10 PM
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If you're playing against Songbird, you're figuring for at least two of the following three things:

She is softened up by Go Maggie Go early
She is softened up by a Family Tree middle move
She is vulnerable in the tenth furlong with some decent closers moving late

Admittedly, I don't think Songbird is nearly as good as most people do. The best horse she's beaten to date is Carina Mia, who is a sprinter/miler. She will likely not get to dictate terms here and that can increase her vulnerability. She is clearly a very good horse, but that shouldn't preclude anyone from playing against her in the multis, where you will get tremendous value.

I will try to get alive in a multi race play to Family Tree, Going for Broke and Weep No More. There's a good chance I'll lose, but it's worth the gamble.
Vinny Gambini: I object to this witness being called at this time. We've been given no prior notice he'd testify. No discovery of any tests he's conducted or reports he's prepared. And as the court is aware, the defense is entitled to advance notice of any witness who will testify, particularly to those who will give scientific evidence, so that we can properly prepare for cross-examination, as well as to give the defense an opportunity to have the witness's reports reviewed by a defense expert, who might then be in a position to contradict the veracity of his conclusions.
[there is a short pause as Judge Haller appears caught off-guard by Vinny's sudden compentence with knowledge of the law]
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Mr. Gambini?
Vinny Gambini: Yes, sir?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: [firm tone] Overruled.
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:06 PM
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Vinny Gambini: I object to this witness being called at this time. We've been given no prior notice he'd testify. No discovery of any tests he's conducted or reports he's prepared. And as the court is aware, the defense is entitled to advance notice of any witness who will testify, particularly to those who will give scientific evidence, so that we can properly prepare for cross-examination, as well as to give the defense an opportunity to have the witness's reports reviewed by a defense expert, who might then be in a position to contradict the veracity of his conclusions.
[there is a short pause as Judge Haller appears caught off-guard by Vinny's sudden compentence with knowledge of the law]
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Mr. Gambini?
Vinny Gambini: Yes, sir?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: [firm tone] Overruled.
This belongs in the F-Mo Hall of Fame.
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