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![]() Great job by Paul Reddam here with Pavel. This could be his worst entry since the oft-injured Square Eddie came off a one year layoff and broke the track record for 6.5f at Santa Anita in an allowance race. His next race came 3 weeks later across the country in the 9f Grade 1 Donn Handicap.
Some nimrod suggested the Jim Dandy should have been restricted into a match race between Always Dreaming and Cloud Computing and now that the entries are out, I tend to agree with him. The least Reddam could have done was fake us out and cross-enter him in the Amsterdam. |
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He is talented so hopefully a move like this doesnt ruin the horse.
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![]() Amazingly, Good Samaritan was actually the late-added 5th runner.. When Grening was on the other day, he said Pavel had gotten the field to a quartet and they weren't sure a 5th was forthcoming.
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![]() Only horse I would want coming out of that race would be Pavel who was 3 wide most of the way. Always Dreaming only hung around cause of the rail.
That was the Cloud Computing I was expecting in the Preakness.
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![]() I actually think he ran very credible all things given.
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![]() He absolutely did. He ran a better race than everyone but the winner IMO. But apparently you get killed for taking a shot with a talented horse--while the same people probably complain about short fields.
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![]() I could understand if there were actual good horses in the race to avoid but there weren't. I think if you have a 3yo with four legs, it's worth taking a shot against the "leaders" of this division. Old rules about the proper progressions have to be discarded. This is not the same game of the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() That's funny, I don't remember saying that Pavel was not a talented horse. In fact, the very reason I even posted about a horse with but a single start in a 6.5f maiden race is because I believe he's very talented.
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On the bright side, I'm glad you waited until after the race to post these misreadings of my post. Wouldn't have wanted to gum up all the legit pre-race discussion of the Jim Dandy in this thread. |
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Did Pavel show signs of talent in the Jim Dandy? Sure. Was it all for naught? Of course. He ran like a horse that had never been two turns before and found wanting in the stretch, ultimately finishing off the board. At best, if the plan was to see if he had any talent (did anyone who saw his maiden win need this?) it was a completely wasted effort. At worst, if he comes out of the race less than 100% (was his debut delayed for a physical issue?) the race may have ruined his career. This is nothing new though for Reddam, who's proficiency at ruining careers has move into the realm of an art form. Quote:
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Am I crazy, but are we supposed to be happy Pavel ran off-the-board (and almost beat two classic winners) simply because for about a furlong, he displayed the talent that was apparent in his previous race? The race was a complete waste. It certainly didn't set him up for a big race in the Travers. |
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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Whether or not Pavel is ultimately superior to those horses, those seemingly insignificant details are important, not just for this race, but for races going forward. Quote:
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Instead of witnessing an also-ran performance (however heroic or otherwise) in the Jim Dandy, we might have seen him crush an allowance race as a springboard to something like the Allen Jerkens or El Cajon before "taking a shot" in a major route race. Now the future is in disarray. My guess is Reddam watched the race with the same rose-colored lenses you did ("he almost beat TWO classic winners!"), and will target the Pennsylvania Derby if not the Travers. Should be good for another middle move and fade job. Good luck. |
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Graded stakes winners Private Zone, Jimmy Creed, Fed Biz, Fury Kapcori, Holy Lute, Gimme Da Lute, Conquest Two Step, and Toowindytohaulrox all started in that race in the last few years. Never mind that Accelerate, who just knocked off Arrogate in the San Diego, won the race last year in...wait for it... the start following his maiden victory. He won a graded stakes right after that and then placed in the BC Dirt Mile. |
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![]() From what i have seen the last 2 days, unless Bob is sending West Coast or American Anthem, Good Samaritan is going to win the Travers.
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