Secret Oath

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Couldn't even beat Alabama Stakes winner Songbird fair and square.

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

Uh-oh... You unleashed the Kraken. He is in the Q-Anon camp regarding that BC Race.

[Dahoss]

Imagine carrying on for SIX YEARS about a photo finish?

I think when he stopped drinking he started taking estrogen pills.

Originally Posted by jms62

Uh-oh... You unleashed the Kraken. He is in the Q-Anon camp regarding that BC Race.

Oh Boy. Pretty sure the Stewards made the race official.

What did you guys think about Asmussen's post Preakness quotes?

Was he ripping Rosario's ride?

Kinda felt that way to me.

But not sure.

Was it a bad ride?

Not sure there either.

Opinions?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What was unfair about her win over SONGBIRD in the BC?

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

Vic this is the kind of stupidity that derails actual dialogue on here.

Everytime Estrogen Dan enters a thread it immediately jumps the shark.

There’s like 3 things he’s passionate about. Songbird, Andy and posting about people or horses dying.

Anything other than that and he has nothing to say but needs to say it because his cat even ignores him at this point.

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Songbird won the headbob, and they awarded the race to the second place hoss. Watch the replay, it’s clear that Songbird was in front on the wire. They would have showed the mirror image, if it showed Beholder won. Watch the slow motion replay, listen to JD Bailey, who then clammed up, awaiting the photo. It’s all there. Repeat after me inside the sixteenth pole 1-8-1-8-1......

Obviously I'm late to this party. But why would the photo finish operator, the placing judges and Stewards care who won the BC Distaff?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Obviously I'm late to this party. But why would the photo finish operator, the placing judges and Stewards care who won the BC Distaff?

Because...

[King Glorious]

She’s not even better than Rags to Riches. People never mention her, as if that wasn’t a two-time horse of the year she outfought in the Belmont.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

She’s not even better than Rags to Riches. People never mention her, as if that wasn’t a two-time horse of the year she outfought in the Belmont.

You're right. She's not yet as accomplished as RAGS TO RICHES.

I said she "might" be that good.

Let's see how the rest of season and perhaps next year shakes out

[Kasept]

[Kasept]

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

You're right. She's not yet as accomplished as RAGS TO RICHES.

I said she "might" be that good.

Let's see how the rest of season and perhaps next year shakes out

By June 7 2022 Secret Oats will have won a single G1 in her career. I am not knocking her she is a really nice filly. By June 7 07 Rags had 4 G1 wins including beating Curlin. I don't know the Thorograph figs of either but the BSFs are much faster for Rags. I am not sure Secret Oats will ever race in 3 more grade 1's nevermind win them. If I was making a future line for someone who wanted to wager that Secret Oats would end her career with 4 g1 wins I would say the number would be at least 20/1

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

By June 7 2022 Secret Oats will have won a single G1 in her career. I am not knocking her she is a really nice filly. By June 7 07 Rags had 4 G1 wins including beating Curlin. I don't know the Thorograph figs of either but the BSFs are much faster for Rags. I am not sure Secret Oats will ever race in 3 more grade 1's nevermind win them. If I was making a future line for someone who wanted to wager that Secret Oats would end her career with 4 g1 wins I would say the number would be at least 20/1

To be fair, only two of those four Grade 1 wins for Rags to Riches are still Grade 1 races.

However, Rags to Riches would have crushed Secret Oath like a grape. No sane person would see it otherwise.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

To be fair, only two of those four Grade 1 wins for Rags to Riches are still Grade 1 races.

However, Rags to Riches would have crushed Secret Oath like a grape. No sane person would see it otherwise.

Check with Jerry and get back to us.lol

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

By June 7 2022 Secret Oats will have won a single G1 in her career. I am not knocking her she is a really nice filly. By June 7 07 Rags had 4 G1 wins including beating Curlin.

You're getting a little sidetracked from the overall theme of this thread, Freddy.

The head-to-head between Rags to Riches and Secret Oath is a side issue at best.

What we need to figure out is if anyone "called" Rags To Riches a potential superstar after her Churchill debut or even her maiden victory.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You're getting a little sidetracked from the overall theme of this thread, Freddy.

The head-to-head between Rags to Riches and Secret Oath is a side issue at best.

What we need to figure out is if anyone "called" Rags To Riches a potential superstar after her Churchill debut or even her maiden victory.

Is Superstar > or < Generational Talent ? Vic jumped the shark and for a guy who is a good handicapper, it's hard to understand. You don't have to be the first to say something outlandish to increase your brand or make yourself seem smart. The funny part is DWL has raced Secret Oats in great spots and she has had real shots.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is Superstar > or < Generational Talent ? Vic jumped the shark and for a guy who is a good handicapper, it's hard to understand. You don't have to be the first to say something outlandish to increase your brand or make yourself seem smart. The funny part is DWL has raced Secret Oats in great spots and she has had real shots.

It’s really not that hard to understand if you look at his body of work.

Good point about Lukas though. For a guy known for throwing horses to the wolves sometimes (with decent results) both times she has tried males were winnable spots if she was good enough.

She’s not, which is fine. She’s still pretty good.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Kasept

So you’re saying that Secret Oath has earned more money than Rags to Riches? And her career isn’t even over yet!