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Old 11-07-2020, 08:37 AM
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KEE Breeders' Cup Classic (G1): Authentic 111 (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez
KEE Breeders' Cup Turf (G1): Tarnawa-IRE 109 (Shamardal) D. Weld/C. Keane
KEE Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1): Whitmore 104 (Pleasantly Perfect) R. Moquett/I. Ortiz
KEE Breeders' Cup F&M Turf (G1): Audarya-FR 103 (Wootton Bassett-GB) J. Fanshawe/P. Boudot
KEE Breeders' Cup Mile (G1): Order of Australia-IRE 105 (Australia-GB) A. O'Brien/P. Boudot
KEE Breeders' Cup Distaff (G1): Monomoy Girl 100 (Tapizar) B. Cox/F. Geroux
KEE Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (G1): Glass Slippers-GB 104 (Dream Ahead) K. Ryan/T. Eaves
KEE Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1): Knicks Go 108 (Paynter) B. Cox/J. Rosario
KEE Breeders' Cup F&M Sprint (G1): Gamine 110. (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez

KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1): Essential Quality 95 Tapit B. Cox/L. Saez
KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1): Vequist 93 Nyquist R. Reid/J. Rosario
KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint (G2): Golden Pal 90 Uncle Mo W. Ward/I. Ortiz
KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (G1): Aunt Pearl-IRE 91 Lope de Vega (IRE) B. Cox/F. Geroux
KEE Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1): Fire At Will 90 Declaration of War M. Maker/R. Santana

KEE Lafayette S: Sleepy Eyes Todd 98 (Paddy O'Prado) M. Silva/J. Rosario
KEE Fort Springs S: Merneith 86 (American Pharoah) B. Baffert/L. Saez
KEE Perryville S: Nashville 102 (Speightstown) S. Asmussen/R. Santana
KEE TAA S (G2): Rocketry 92 Hard Spun J. Jerkens/I. Ortiz
KEE McConnell Springs S: Amy's Challenge 89 Artie Schiller M. Robertson/J. Lezcano
KEE Bryan Station S: Ever Dangerous 91 Kitten's Joy G. Weaver/J. Castellano
KEE Nyquist S: Highly Motivated 96 Into Mischief C. Brown/J. Castellano
KEE Songbird S: Joy's Rocket 80 Anthony's Cross S. Asmussen/R. Santana

AQU Nashua S (G3): Pickin' Time 82 (Stay Thirsty) K. Breen/T. McCarthy
AQU Turnback the Alarm H (G3): Royal Flag 94 (Candy Ride-ARG) C. Brown/T. McCarthy
AQU Stewart Manor S: Illegal Smile-IRE 86 (Camacho-GB) W. Ward/C. Torres
AQU Atlantic Beach S: Arrest Me Red 77 Pioneerof the Nile A. Delacour/H. Diaz
AQU Tempted S: Malathaat 83 Curlin T. Pletcher/K. Carmouche

WO Autumn S (G2): Skywire 94 (Afleet Alex) M. Casse/R. Hernandez
WO Maple Leaf S (G3): Heavenly Curlin 90 Curlin M. Casse/R. Hernandez

DMR Betty Grable S: Mo See Cal - (Uncle Mo) P. Miller/F. Prat
DMR Golden State Juvenile Fillies S: September Secret 62 Grazen P. Miller/R. Gonzalez
DMR Golden State Juvenile S: Good With People 67 (Curlin to Mischief) P. Miller/R. Gonzalez

PEN Shamrock Rose S: Plane Drunk 72 Stay Thirsty P. Schoenthal/E. Gonzalez

MVR Ohio Debutante H: Edge of Night 65 (Added Edge) R. Gorham/C. Pilares

GG Joseph T. Grace S: Camino Del Paraiso 95 (Suances-GB) O. Jauregui/C. Martinez

GPW Cellars Shiraz S: American Giant 84 (More Than Ready) M. Trombetta/P. Lopez
GPW Showing Up S: Monforte 85 (Carpe Diem) R. Gracida/E. Prado
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Old 11-08-2020, 06:49 AM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion... Rushing Fall ran incredibly
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:32 AM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion...
Gosh… If only there was a place to have that discussion with someone like Andy Beyer, say at 9:20 on the Monday after Breeders’ Cup.
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:36 AM
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That should be rich. 8 points higher ? How is Beyer gonna wiggle his way out of that one ?
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Old 11-08-2020, 11:17 AM
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That should be rich. 8 points higher ? How is Beyer gonna wiggle his way out of that one ?
What did you have the race on your “no brain cells left dumbass” scale Dan?
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Old 11-08-2020, 11:24 AM
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A buck three eighty.
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Old 11-08-2020, 01:05 PM
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Nashville 102 v Gamine 110 is an interesting discussion... Rushing Fall ran incredibly
I would think Nashville vs Whitmore would be an interesting discussion as well.
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Old 11-08-2020, 01:31 PM
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What did the runner up in Nashville’s race get Beyerwise in his prior start?
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Old 11-08-2020, 02:27 PM
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I have a basic understanding of figures. I understand that tracks can change during the day depending on how much they water it, how the weather is, etc. This can explain why a track can have nearly identical times on a day and have different figures. I get that. What I have a harder time grasping is how they determine if it changed or not? Nashville ran super fast and broke the track record. Gamine did the same a couple of races later. Knicks Go did the same a couple of races later. Then came the Sprint. Whitmore's time was much slower than Nashville's yet he got a higher speed figure. Isn't that saying that the track slowed down? But then you come back with Monomoy Girl running a fast race and just missing the track record by .09 and then Authentic setting a track record a couple of races later.

Interesting stuff here.
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Old 11-08-2020, 02:44 PM
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Second part of the question. If perhaps they thought to themselves "This is crazy and dangerous" after having Nashville, Gamine, and Knicks Go set track records.....so they slowed the track down.....that would make sense in explaining why Whitmore's race was "faster" than Nashville's race.

But if the track had been slowed down, wouldn't that mean that Monomoy Girl and Authentic should have received much higher figures, especially Monomoy Girl? If she only got 100 after just missing the track record, isn't that saying the track was fast? So was it fast for every race except the Sprint? Does that make sense?
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