Favre...gimme a break

[hi_im_god]

i think the organization guy was giving the organization answer.

he isn't going to dis a hall of famer that should go in with a packer uniform.

but nothing he said was a shot at his gm. he said as much as he could.

what i read is the packers took favre at his word and moved on to a point they couldn't turn back when he changed his mind (again).

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think the organization guy was giving the organization answer.

he isn't going to dis a hall of famer that should go in with a packer uniform.

but nothing he said was a shot at his gm. he said as much as he could.

what i read is the packers took favre at his word and moved on to a point they couldn't turn back when he changed his mind (again).

I hate Favre and he's to blame for the Packers ever using a draft pick on Rodgers in the first place but this whole part to me sounds totally like the coach is saying he is only in charge of the players he has on the team and the GM determines who is on that team and even though he doesn't agree with who that GM put on the team, he's not going to say anything bad, but you can connect the dots.

I'm coaching the football team. At some point, when you get involved in situations that are at an organization level, then everybody's responsible for their part. Ted is responsible for the whole football operation. I'm ultimately responsible for the football team. Decisions have to be made on factual information, and I think if you just go out there and connect the dots, you can answer your own question. I'm going to stay on the high road with this thing. Obviously, I'm not in agreement with a lot of things that have been said or will continue to be said.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I hate Favre and he's to blame for the Packers ever using a draft pick on Rodgers in the first place but this whole part to me sounds totally like the coach is saying he is only in charge of the players he has on the team and the GM determines who is on that team and even though he doesn't agree with who that GM put on the team, he's not going to say anything bad, but you can connect the dots.

I'm coaching the football team. At some point, when you get involved in situations that are at an organization level, then everybody's responsible for their part. Ted is responsible for the whole football operation. I'm ultimately responsible for the football team. Decisions have to be made on factual information, and I think if you just go out there and connect the dots, you can answer your own question. I'm going to stay on the high road with this thing. Obviously, I'm not in agreement with a lot of things that have been said or will continue to be said.

i don't read it that way at all. i think you're supposed to connect the dots back to favre being indecisive.

why would you think he'd bury his gm and not the guy that plays on another team? win or lose, he's the coach of the packers. i've seen no public wedge between him the gm before now. why do you think he'd start that?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i don't read it that way at all. i think you're supposed to connect the dots back to favre being indecisive.

why would you think he'd bury his gm and not the guy that plays on another team? win or lose, he's the coach of the packers. i've seen no public wedge between him the gm before now. why do you think he'd start that?

Cause he doesn't have much faith in Rodgers and wants a fallback excuse if they suck this year. I happen to think Rodgers will be very good.

[GBBob]

[quote=GBBob]Well..actually he has spent the last 3 off seasons in GB learning the system and working out. This is HIS team now, not Favres's.

IF...and that's a huge IF considering who he is replacing, Rodgers stays healthy (and Favre doesn't come back):

1) GB will make the playoffs oops
2) He will throw at least 25 TDs
3) His passer rating will be 90 or better
4) And he will throw picks...probably 15 or so 13
5) BUT..He will rush for enough yards to be in the Top 5-7 QBs running the ball Yes

touchdown passes (28), passing yards (4,038) and passer rating (93.8).

[philcski]

[quote=GBBob]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..actually he has spent the last 3 off seasons in GB learning the system and working out. This is HIS team now, not Favres's.

IF...and that's a huge IF considering who he is replacing, Rodgers stays healthy (and Favre doesn't come back):

1) GB will make the playoffs oops
2) He will throw at least 25 TDs
3) His passer rating will be 90 or better
4) And he will throw picks...probably 15 or so 13
5) BUT..He will rush for enough yards to be in the Top 5-7 QBs running the ball Yes

touchdown passes (28), passing yards (4,038) and passer rating (93.8).

Rodgers played well. The rest of the team didn't. Grant was pretty much a no-show all season.

GB bounces back next year if Grant gets back on track and the defense stays healthy.

I know this stat is out there and this is a good one that actually matters...

how many times did he have the ball with a chance to win the game?

[dalakhani]

[quote=philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Rodgers played well. The rest of the team didn't. Grant was pretty much a no-show all season.

GB bounces back next year if Grant gets back on track and the defense stays healthy.

Agree with all of this. I loved watching Rodgers this year. He makes throws that not a lot of QB's can make and he is mobile. This was only his first full year of starting and he basically got no support from the ground game.

they lost a lot of close games. I think they could easily be a playoff team next year.

They lost a lot of close games because he couldn't close the deal.

Here is a list of quarterbacks Coach Tedford sent to the NFL...

Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.

LOL.

Rodgers is now getting ridiculous money. He better learn how to win games in crunch time or he'll be a bust like the 3 guys I won't mention from that list.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I know this stat is out there and this is a good one that actually matters...

how many times did he have the ball with a chance to win the game?

Agreed...I think 2 or 3 times, but he also put them in position to win games late, but 1) Crosby missed GW winner in Minny 2) Houston went 97 yards in one minute plus to kick GW, 3) Bears drove the field to force OT and hit GW after Crosby missed GW at end of reg, 4) Tenn OT game loss and there are more defensive implosions, but this is top of head. This stat below sums up GB season. I think Rodgers will convert a few of what you talk about next year, but they have to get better defensively.

In counting 419 points, Green Bay was not far from the 435 points it got last year. McCarthy’s team scored 48 touchdowns in both instances.

The difference lies in the number of points given up. Last year, the Packers allowed 291. This year, the total ballooned to 380, tied for fifth most in team history.

[ateamstupid]

LOL, where's wiphan? Before the season, dude was saying that the Packers had better running backs than the Jets.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, where's wiphan? Before the season, dude was saying that the Packers had better running backs than the Jets.

I'm not sure they didn't? First time in NFL history yesterday with 2 backs and 2 WR each getting over 100 yds. These stats before yesterday..GB ran for over 200 more..not sure about NYJ, but pretty close either way
Rushing Statistics
NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Thomas Jones 290 1312 4.5 59 13 2 1
Leon Washington 76 448 5.9 61 6 1 0
Brad Smith 12 113 9.4 36 0 1 1
Tony Richardson 10 65 6.5 16 0 0 0
Brett Favre 21 43 2.0 27 1 5 0
Laveranues Coles 2 9 4.5 6 0 0 0
Jerricho Cotchery 2 8 4.0 8 0 0 0
Jesse Chatman 5 8 1.6 5 0 0 0
Chansi Stuckey 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0
Kellen Clemens 3 -3 -1.0 -1 0 0 0
Totals 422 2004 4.7 61 20 9 2


Rushing Statistics
NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Ryan Grant 312 1203 3.9 57 4 4 3
Brandon Jackson 45 248 5.5 32 1 1 0
Aaron Rodgers 56 207 3.7 21 4 4 0
DeShawn Wynn 8 110 13.8 73 1 0 0
Kregg Lumpkin 1 19 19.0 19 0 0 0
John Kuhn 8 10 1.3 3 1 0 0
Matt Flynn 4 4 1.0 6 0 1 0
Donald Driver 2 4 2.0 6 0 0 0
Derrick Frost 1 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Totals 437 1805 4.1 73 11 11 3

[ateamstupid]

Um.. 1760 + 19 TD's > 1451 + 5 TD's?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Um..

What..are you saying back out Rodgers numbers?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GBBob

What..are you saying back out Rodgers numbers?

Read above. Is Rodgers a running back?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Um.. 1760 + 19 TD's > 1451 + 5 TD's?

If anyone wants to criticize the Packers D or special teams, jump in and I'll join you, but when talking about their RBs, WR or QB..I really don't agree with most of the negativity. Grant was at 50% because of a hamstring until Week 5 and I think is even with Thomas Jones or better. Leon might have an edge over Brandon and overall maybe they are "better", but it's really splitting hairs, IMO

[ateamstupid]

Yeah, Leon Washington, the NFL's leader in all-purpose yards and 40+ yard plays, and Brandon Jackson, same thing. I'm out.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, Leon Washington, the NFL's leader in all-purpose yards and 40+ yard plays, and Brandon Jackson, same thing. I'm out.

jeez Joey...sorry you were bounced yesterday, but it's just a discussion.

[GPK]

shocking news developing

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3818870

"I'm an emotional guy, and I'm sure people are tired of seeing me get emotional. People would probably say, 'Oh, here he goes again.' I think it would just better for me to just thank the Jets, and I sincerely mean that. It was well worth what I invested. But I'm going to just quietly step away if that's what happens."

--Brett Favre

I laughed

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...-scenario.html

Ray Lewis interested in the Jets.

Favre will come back if this happens.