Lukas down to 40 horses

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

How can you say that with a straight face? She was just another mane and tail until the master went to work and turned her around.

maybe you're thinking of spain? certainly not azeri.
i have to say, altho some trainers real or perceived coldness might be offputting, i was also nauseated every time LDS called azeri 'honey bear'.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

maybe you're thinking of spain? certainly not azeri.
i have to say, altho some trainers real or perceived coldness might be offputting, i was also nauseated every time LDS called azeri 'honey bear'.

Yes, Spain was more excellent work by the master Lukas. I too, recall wanting to puke each time the words "honey bear" were invoked.

For example:

I bowed honey bear, she is finished. I can't believe that evil man ( lukas) thinks he can race her. I feel bad for my little honey bear.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

ok, so now lukas doesn't care about horses? he sat on the stall floor with landaluces head in his lap, crying while she died after they did everything they could for her. how often do you think someone can go thru that kind of stuff before they start trying to shield themselves? breakdowns are a part of this sport, as we are all aware. but everyone trying to demonize dwl for not showing emotion might want to re-think all that.

it appears that i was too late in mentioning this story, as others already did so. funny tho how some have an answer for everything, especially when it doesn't fit into their idea of how dwl may or may not be...

I don't recall saying that lukas doesn't care about his horses. I stated a personal preference for different trainers and why. Honestly, I don't like the racing schedules I've seen with horses like Going Wild, but then again, had he not been aggressive with Charismatic he wouldn't have won the roses with him. From everything I've read and seen of his records, DWL is much to complex for me to form a black and white opinion on him. Just the other day I was marveling over his quotes at some seminar, it was something about success and working hard and was probably the best quote I've read in a long time from anyone in this business, but I would probably still choose a different trainer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't recall saying that lukas doesn't care about his horses. I stated a personal preference for different trainers and why. Honestly, I don't like the racing schedules I've seen with horses like Going Wild, but then again, had he not been aggressive with Charismatic he wouldn't have won the roses with him. From everything I've read and seen of his records, DWL is much to complex for me to form a black and white opinion on him. Just the other day I was marveling over his quotes at some seminar, it was something about success and working hard and was probably the best quote I've read in a long time from anyone in this business, but I would probably still choose a different trainer.

i doubt your posts were the ones i was referencing. and i also would go with a different trainer. and it wouldn't be todd pletcher. i'd rather have someone more hands on, with a small stable.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't recall saying that lukas doesn't care about his horses. I stated a personal preference for different trainers and why. Honestly, I don't like the racing schedules I've seen with horses like Going Wild, but then again, had he not been aggressive with Charismatic he wouldn't have won the roses with him. From everything I've read and seen of his records, DWL is much to complex for me to form a black and white opinion on him. Just the other day I was marveling over his quotes at some seminar, it was something about success and working hard and was probably the best quote I've read in a long time from anyone in this business, but I would probably still choose a different trainer.

If you ever make it out to Los Angeles, give me a call. We can go to the backstretch in the morning and you can talk all the people who know Lukas. You can talk to his former grooms, former exercise riders, vets, and fellow trainers and you can explain to them how they don't know anything about Lukas and how they don't understand him, but how you as a fan know him and understand him better than they do.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you ever make it out to Los Angeles, give me a call. We can go to the backstretch in the morning and you can talk all the people who know Lukas. You can talk to his former grooms, former exercise riders, vets, and fellow trainers and you can explain to them how they don't know anything about Lukas and how they don't understand him, but how you as a fan know him and understand him better than they do.

Yeah, just like you -- right? Your opinion is more qualified than others here -- why? Because you are in the game? So am I. So are others. My opinion differs from yours. Doesn't mean a thing. We both have opinions, although you state everything as fact. Let me ask you a question -- have you ever been wrong? It doesn't sound like it.

The difference is you started out by making claims and accusations and have no proof whatsover. Rounding up a group of people, I don't care who they are, to agree with you doesn't mean squat. Anyone else can find just as many who would disagree and that too doesn't mean squat. That's really the point -- you don't see the difference between opinion and fact. It seems as if you live in your world of "you are always right" and what you say is "fact", but everyone else who may disagree with you is wrong and don't have qualified opinions. That is MY OPINION.

"Honest" opinions are in the eye of the person who believes them to be honest -- or not for that matter. Maybe they are biased. Maybe they are tainted. Maybe those opinions are filled with personal baggage and venom -- just like your posts, claims, accusations, and statements here on this thread, time and time again, about Lukas.

By the way -- other than your venom, about your claims and accusations -- just to point out one small thing I see . . . Still NO PROOF! Right? I didn't think so.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yeah, just like you -- right? Your opinion is more qualified than others here -- why? Because you are in the game? So am I. So are others. My opinion differs from yours. Doesn't mean a thing. We both have opinions, although you state everything as fact. Let me ask you a question -- have you ever been wrong? It doesn't sound like it.

The difference is you started out by making claims and accusations and have no proof whatsover. Rounding up a group of people, I don't care who they are, to agree with you doesn't mean squat. Anyone else can find just as many who would disagree and that too doesn't mean squat. That's really the point -- you don't see the difference between opinion and fact. It seems as if you live in your world of "you are always right" and what you say is "fact", but everyone else who may disagree with you is wrong and don't have qualified opinions. That is MY OPINION.

"Honest" opinions are in the eye of the person who believes them to be honest -- or not for that matter. Maybe they are biased. Maybe they are tainted. Maybe those opinions are filled with personal baggage and venom -- just like your posts, claims, accusations, and statements here on this thread, time and time again, about Lukas.

By the way -- other than your venom, about your claims and accusations -- just to point out one small think I see . . . Still NO PROOF! Right? I didn't think so.

Eric

I don't think a person's reputation is a matter of opinion. His reputation is his reputation. His repuation speaks for itself. My opinion is irrelevant. Whether I like him or hate him, his reputation does not change.

I wasn't talking about rounding a bunch of hand-chosen people. I was talking about walking around and talking to all different people. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone that has anything good to say about him. And it has very little to do with his personality. Bobby Frankel is not exactly a really friendly guy. He may not be all that popular, but even people that don't like him still think he's a good trainer.

As I said before, you can believe whatever you want.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i doubt your posts were the ones i was referencing. and i also would go with a different trainer. and it wouldn't be todd pletcher. i'd rather have someone more hands on, with a small stable.

Me too, but I do think Pletcher's organizational skills are pretty exceptional. I'm an organization freak.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Me too, but I do think Pletcher's organizational skills are pretty exceptional. I'm an organization freak.

i like to be organized as well. hate clutter! pletcher is good at what he does, and i think he is skilled-but i'd rather have a more 'hands on' trainer. no way he could be hands on, other than when it comes to saddling his biggest stars.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you ever make it out to Los Angeles, give me a call. We can go to the backstretch in the morning and you can talk all the people who know Lukas. You can talk to his former grooms, former exercise riders, vets, and fellow trainers and you can explain to them how they don't know anything about Lukas and how they don't understand him, but how you as a fan know him and understand him better than they do.

Again, I don't think I ever said that either.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Again, I don't think I ever said that either.

That post was not directed at you. That post was in response to Danzig's post.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That post was not directed at you. That post was in response to Danzig's post.

it was?! lol i thought it was to sightseek, since you quoted her in your response.

hey, if i ever come out rupe, i'd like to meet you and go to the track. but i wouldn't like to talk about dwl, i'd rather we talked about anything but!!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That post was not directed at you. That post was in response to Danzig's post.

Stop confusing me! LOL

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Stop confusing me! LOL

You guys are right. I made a mistake. The post was meant for Danzig but I actually clicked on your post by mistake.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Just because a trainer doesn't publicly show emotion about an injured horse doesn't mean they don't care about it. So what if Todd Pletcher didn't sprint to Fleet Indians side with tears streaming down his face. He didn't look too happy in the photos of him by her side waiting for 30 minutes for the horse ambulance to get there. And anyone that thinks Wayne is absolutely heartless when it comes to his horses, needs to have the man tell you the story of Landaluce. He was cradling her head when she died. His eyes didn't look very dry while he told me that story.

Oh, and his face lights up just the same when you ask him about some of the champions he trained.

And at the same time if he hadnt sent her out to the track to train with a fever perhaps he may not have had to hold her head while she died.

[sumitas]

Pletcher spots his horses well. He's very sharp at handicapping the field.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

With all due respect to your Hawthorne connections, turning Azeri around is a much more impressive feat.

Turned her around? Yes, I'll never forget the brilliant job he did finding a spot in which she was defeated by a MONSTER like Mayo On The Side.

[The Bid]

Wayne has taken his time with Westwon, his derby horse this year.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Wayne has taken his time with Westwon, his derby horse this year.

wasn't he calling Pegasus Wind his derby horse? at least back in august he was...

[The Bid]

I dont know, I know thats the best 3 year old he has in the barn.