Zenyetta vs Racheal

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Shouldnt the best older mare in the country be racing in the best races? We have 30k claiming horses going to Cali and winning grade 1 races. We also have monster 3yr olds prepping for the Kentucky derby out in Cali and when they come to Churchill and people are touting them as next triple crown winners, they end up looking like below average horses.

Isnt she running in grade 1 races? Your issue again seems to be with the sport, maybe those races should be downgraded, but one of the reasons they are given grade 1 status is to guide people in selecting the races that should be for the highest talent.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Isnt she running in grade 1 races? Your issue again seems to be with the sport, maybe those races should be downgraded, but one of the reasons they are given grade 1 status is to guide people in selecting the races that should be for the highest talent.

Ive thought about that before and am still questioning how California is still maintaining G1 status on some of their races. Its a joke.

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Ive thought about that before and am still questioning how California is still maintaining G1 status on some of their races. Its a joke.

For the very reason your argument holds no weight, Zenyatta ships to Oaklawn and wins, then wins the Breeders Cup. Azeri wins at Oaklawn 3 years running, wins the BC. This is not smoke and mirrors, these horses that win the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch, Ladys Secret can ****ing run whether its at saratoga or not.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

For the very reason your argument holds no weight, Zenyatta ships to Oaklawn and wins, then wins the Breeders Cup. Azeri wins at Oaklawn 3 years running, wins the BC. This is not smoke and mirrors, these horses that win the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch, Ladys Secret can ****ing run whether its at saratoga or not.

I feel the only reasons she undefeated is because she runs on plastic, congrats to her for winning all those races but she wouldnt be undefeated if she raced on the east coast.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Shouldnt the best older mare in the country be racing in the best races? We have 30k claiming horses going to Cali and winning grade 1 races. We also have monster 3yr olds prepping for the Kentucky derby out in Cali and when they come to Churchill and people are touting them as next triple crown winners, they end up looking like below average horses.

Yeah, two years in a row they've run second in the Derby. That's what below average looks like.

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I feel the only reasons she undefeated is because she runs on plastic, congrats to her for winning all those races but she wouldnt be undefeated if she raced on the east coast.

And this means california races should be downgraded which is exactly what I quoted, nice sidestep.

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah, two years in a row they've run second in the Derby. That's what below average looks like.

won the Dubai World Cup as well, races should restricted stakes.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah, two years in a row they've run second in the Derby. That's what below average looks like.

Yea but these things are monsters in their prep races out west and I wouldn't call POTN's second place finish this year ultra impressive

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Yea but these things are monsters in their prep races out west and I wouldn't call POTN's second place finish this year ultra impressive

And some horse in those horrid preps won the Travers. Cmon.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah, two years in a row they've run second in the Derby. That's what below average looks like.

California gets credit for Eight Belles now?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Yea but these things are monsters in their prep races out west and I wouldn't call POTN's second place finish this year ultra impressive

They aren't close to monsters out here. Not close. And the point is not whether or not POTN's or CJ's second place finishes were impressive or not. The point is that even though they are running what you call below average, they are still beating just about everything else, including all of your precious Eastern horses.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

California gets credit for Eight Belles now?

Forgive my mistake. Two out of three years.

Or damn, I'll just stop now. Why the hell was I thinking that Colonel John ran second?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

won the Dubai World Cup as well, races should restricted stakes.

So how did Well Armed do Last week in the San Diego????

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Forgive my mistake. Two out of three years.

Hard Spun? Who are you thinking of?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Hard Spun? Who are you thinking of?

He thinks Colonel John came second in the derby

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Originally Posted by kgar311

So how did Well Armed do Last week in the San Diego????

do you honestly think making a big deal about a horse who is practically eased and then is out for the year with a bone chip as a way of supporting your weak argument.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

They aren't close to monsters out here. Not close. And the point is not whether or not POTN's or CJ's second place finishes were impressive or not. The point is that even though they are running what you call below average, they are still beating just about everything else, including all of your precious Eastern horses.

C John did not run second in the Kentucky Derby.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

C John did not run second in the Kentucky Derby.

He won the Travers....just more reason the SA Derby should be downgraded...winning the Travers aint much winning.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Forgive my mistake. Two out of three years.

Or damn, I'll just stop now. Why the hell was I thinking that Colonel John ran second?

The only California based horse to run in the money in the last four years is Pioneerof the Nile.

NT

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The only California based horse to run in the money in the last four years is Pioneerof the Nile.

NT

He won the crappy grade 3 travers