Warm THIS!

[Danzig]

"These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years," Gore told the audience.


Gore's office later admitted to the Times that the figures weren't actually all that "fresh," but were instead based on a conversation Gore had had with Maslowski several years ago.



you know...it always makes me wonder why, if you're facts are so rock solid, you would still feel the need to lie.

someone remind me, how much money does Gore earn from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers ?

[Riot]

Climate change is all a big political lie. Countries and cities are not going without water because glaciers are melting, the inhabitants of tropical islands are not on the verge of being displaced due to oceans rising, polar bears are not trapped in the middle of the ocean (that was formerly solid ice) and drowning, we are not faced with food shortages in the US due to predicted drought in the midwest, Alaska's permafrost isn't melting, multiple species are not predicted to be gone forever within short years due to environmental change, and coral beds are not dissolving and disappearing forever. People and other species are not going to die due to permanent climate changes, and air and water pollution (carbon dioxide emissions) do not exist in any amount whatsoever that could possibly affect our air or water or lives.

It's a big, worldwide political lie, fooling thousands of independent scientists, perpetrated by an ex-Senator in the USA.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

Climate change is all a big political lie. Countries and cities are not going without water because glaciers are melting, the inhabitants of tropical islands are not on the verge of being displaced due to oceans rising, polar bears are not trapped in the middle of the ocean (that was formerly solid ice) and drowning, we are not faced with food shortages in the US due to predicted drought in the midwest, Alaska's permafrost isn't melting, multiple species are not predicted to be gone forever within short years due to environmental change, and coral beds are not dissolving and disappearing forever. People and other species are not going to die due to permanent climate changes, and air and water pollution (carbon dioxide emissions) do not exist in any amount whatsoever that could possibly affect our air or water or lives.

It's a big, worldwide political lie, fooling thousands of independent scientists, perpetrated by an ex-Senator in the USA.

careful.

dell may bold some of this.

[Honu]

Hasnt the climate always changed ? Before there were people with information and technology wasnt the earth still changing? Did the people frozen out with the ice age cause their own demise?
I get that there are changes happening to our earth,cant refute that.
I am more inclined to believe that the world is changing and there isnt a whole hell of alot that we can do about it. I dont believe that if we stop driving cars and recycle EVERYTHING and stop cows from farting that it will end climate change. Its a natural cycle and we will adjust, somehow it seems mankind has always been able to adapt and improvise.
I can feel my gills already coming back

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Countries and cities are not going without water because glaciers are melting, the inhabitants of tropical islands are not on the verge of being displaced due to oceans rising, polar bears are not trapped in the middle of the ocean (that was formerly solid ice) and drowning, we are not faced with food shortages in the US due to predicted drought in the midwest, Alaska's permafrost isn't melting, multiple species are not predicted to be gone forever within short years due to environmental change, and coral beds are not dissolving and disappearing forever. People and other species are not going to die due to permanent climate changes, and air and water pollution (carbon dioxide emissions) do not exist in any amount whatsoever that could possibly affect our air or water or lives.

For the most part, no.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hasnt the climate always changed ? Before there were people with information and technology wasnt the earth still changing? Did the people frozen out with the ice age cause their own demise?
I get that there are changes happening to our earth,cant refute that.
I am more inclined to believe that the world is changing and there isnt a whole hell of alot that we can do about it. I dont believe that if we stop driving cars and recycle EVERYTHING and stop cows from farting that it will end climate change. Its a natural cycle and we will adjust, somehow it seems mankind has always been able to adapt and improvise.
I can feel my gills already coming back

now, you know you're looking at this all wrong...just go buy some green technology from the company al gore works for, and you'll be just fine. you should feel just terrible guilt for thinking you're not to blame!!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Climate change is all a big political lie. Countries and cities are not going without water because glaciers are melting, the inhabitants of tropical islands are not on the verge of being displaced due to oceans rising, polar bears are not trapped in the middle of the ocean (that was formerly solid ice) and drowning, we are not faced with food shortages in the US due to predicted drought in the midwest, Alaska's permafrost isn't melting, multiple species are not predicted to be gone forever within short years due to environmental change, and coral beds are not dissolving and disappearing forever. People and other species are not going to die due to permanent climate changes, and air and water pollution (carbon dioxide emissions) do not exist in any amount whatsoever that could possibly affect our air or water or lives.

It's a big, worldwide political lie, fooling thousands of independent scientists, perpetrated by an ex-Senator in the USA.

Quick....mark the calendar....Riot is having a lucid moment!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

For the most part, no.

Alas, for the most part, most of the above has already happened.

Reality sucks.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hasnt the climate always changed ? Before there were people with information and technology wasnt the earth still changing? Did the people frozen out with the ice age cause their own demise?
I get that there are changes happening to our earth,cant refute that.
I am more inclined to believe that the world is changing and there isnt a whole hell of alot that we can do about it. I dont believe that if we stop driving cars and recycle EVERYTHING and stop cows from farting that it will end climate change. Its a natural cycle and we will adjust, somehow it seems mankind has always been able to adapt and improvise.
I can feel my gills already coming back

The climate always changes, yes. Unfortunately the worldwide industrial revolution has screwed things up a bit, in an additive effect. Nobody is trying to end climate change, it can't be done. But we can stop accelerating our addition to it, in the hope that places like the Florida Keys will still be above ocean level, and habitable, in 40-50 years.

Under the "adapt and improvise" part, we'll unfortunately have to see many, many people die, and many species die. Visit the Maldives now if you wanna see it

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, you know you're looking at this all wrong...just go buy some green technology from the company al gore works for, and you'll be just fine. you should feel just terrible guilt for thinking you're not to blame!!

Seriously - you honestly think that global warming does not exist?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously - you honestly think that global warming does not exist?

i think there have been periods of warming and cooling throughout the history of the earth, and that there will continue to be until the sun finally literally runs out of gas and life ceases to exist. or as my one coworker said, when jesus returns and there's armageddon.

thing is, i remember when the very same scientists and/or their brethren were preaching about the coming ice age thirty years ago. they were as emphatic then as the scientists today seem to be. there are scientists who say it doesn't exist, that the temp the last few years actually fell, then there are those who say altho we are having a warm trend at present, that it isn't man made. much as everyone who believes that warming is occurring and that it's man made would like to say otherwise, it's not a consensus across the board. for every article you can link to, i can find a rebuttal from scientists just as qualified. you have the head honcho for the movement conceding his 'fresh' numbers, aren't. you know, mercenaries generally sell themselves to the highest bidder.
i seem to recall immediately after katrina and rita hit that scientists predicted worsening hurricane seasons, both in intensity and frequency. not one atlantic hurricane made landfall in the u.s. this year. when's the last time that happened? i remember the same being said about tornadoes-that we would see more and more of them. just a few weeks ago, i read about storm chasers saying they felt odd about complaining, but there just weren't many twisters to study this year. bob posted an article from discovery from last year about melting in the himalayas- i found an article from a few months back that said other areas of that same range are bucking the trend. that they have increased glacier size.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

The climate always changes, yes. Unfortunately the worldwide industrial revolution has screwed things up a bit, in an additive effect. Nobody is trying to end climate change, it can't be done. But we can stop accelerating our addition to it, in the hope that places like the Florida Keys will still be above ocean level, and habitable, in 40-50 years.

Under the "adapt and improvise" part, we'll unfortunately have to see many, many people die, and many species die. Visit the Maldives now if you wanna see it

How did the Florida Keys become Keys in the first place , didnt some sort of climate change have something to do with the fact they are no longer connected to the mainland?
Im sorry that I dont think there is alot we are going to do about cliamte change , it happens , its the progression of things.
People who live in area's that are at sea level or under it like New Orleans and Charleston are inviting the ocean to come and swallow them up.
How is it that the Maldives became islands anyway ??? Wasn't there some sort of climate or geological change that occured to cause them to become islands in the first place?
So let me ask you something , how is it that alot of climate changes have happened long before there was an industrial age on earth ? How did the ice age happen in the first place ? How was it that the whole earth was flooded by water ? These are just random questions I have to the people who say us humans(and cows farting) are the demise of everything.

[Crown@club]

Observer1: "What did you do today?"
Worker: "I cut down a tree."
Observer1: "You dumb SOB!!!!"

Observer2: "What did you do today?"
Worker: "I planted a tree today."
Observer2: "You dumb SOB!!!!"

I blame John Froelich. That dumb SOB and his creation of using gasoline in Farm Tractors. He created this mess......blah.......blah.blah.......blah.blah.

[Riot]

I think most people realize the world is in a warming period, as far as the history of the planet earth goes. Nobody disputes this that I have ever seen.

I also think most people realize that things like car, factory, airplane exhaust pollutes our air and water; and also that man has directly killed off species (for example, we shot all the millions of passenger pigeons in the world, there are none left, gone forever) The Colorado River no longer runs to the sea.

It's obvious that man can permanently change his environment. We've already done it.

This has mainly only occurred in the last couple hundred years of the earth's history, as the industrial revolution and the worlds population of humans has exploded exponentially.

Life on earth (man's involvement) was very different 300 years ago than it is now.

The hard part for some is taking the knowledge that we can pollute and change our environment and kill off species, and expanding that to believe that our actions can permanently change, not only our local environments, but the environment of the entire planet. That is a big concept to wrap around.

All I can say is read up on it, see pictures of it. Even if you read it or watch it with a grain of salt, see what "is".

http://environment.nationalgeographi...lobal-warming/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

So let me ask you something , how is it that alot of climate changes have happened long before there was an industrial age on earth ? How did the ice age happen in the first place ? How was it that the whole earth was flooded by water ? These are just random questions I have to the people who say us humans(and cows farting) are the demise of everything.

Climate change HAS happened before us, and it will happen while we are here, and after we are gone.

The trouble is, as it is happening, we are accelerating it, adding to it, tipping and influencing the normal balance, at an alarming rate.

We as a species have become so numerous on the planet, and our industrial actions so widespread across the entire earth, that we are influencing the very climate of the entire planet. And it's not in a way that will benefit us in the long run.

It's hard to believe, that one species can influence the entire planet. Yes, it is hard to believe.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Climate change HAS happened before us, and it will happen while we are here, and after we are gone.

The trouble is, as it is happening, we are accelerating it, adding to it, tipping and influencing the normal balance, at an alarming rate.

We as a species have become so numerous on the planet, and our industrial actions so widespread across the entire earth, that we are influencing the very climate of the entire planet. And it's not in a way that will benefit us in the long run.

It's hard to believe, that one species can influence the entire planet. Yes, it is hard to believe.

Who influenced it before we were here and were industrialized? I know we may influence it but to say that someone can predict when the polar ice caps are going to melt but cant predict the weather 7 days in advance is a little much for me.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think most people realize the world is in a warming period, as far as the history of the planet earth goes. Nobody disputes this that I have ever seen.

I also think most people realize that things like car, factory, airplane exhaust pollutes our air and water; and also that man has directly killed off species (for example, we shot all the millions of passenger pigeons in the world, there are none left, gone forever) The Colorado River no longer runs to the sea.

It's obvious that man can permanently change his environment. We've already done it.

This has mainly only occurred in the last couple hundred years of the earth's history, as the industrial revolution and the worlds population of humans has exploded exponentially.

Life on earth (man's involvement) was very different 300 years ago than it is now.

The hard part for some is taking the knowledge that we can pollute and change our environment and kill off species, and expanding that to believe that our actions can permanently change, not only our local environments, but the environment of the entire planet. That is a big concept to wrap around.

All I can say is read up on it, see pictures of it. Even if you read it or watch it with a grain of salt, see what "is".

http://environment.nationalgeographi...lobal-warming/

i do believe in global warming to a certain degree. I even believe that man could have SOME impact (though I think it is a VERY small amount).. i mean, do you want to lock yourself in your garage with your car running? NO of course not. It cant exactly be great for the enviroment. I am completely against cap and trade and quick mr fix its that will tax people insane amounts.

I also have no clue why in 2009 we are so dependant on oil. We have so much technology out there to rely on other resources. You can blame the democrats for the lack of nuclear energy in this country. So its kind of hypocritical of them now.

And the reason I wish we werent dependant on oil has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with feeding the middle east tons of cash.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Climate change HAS happened before us, and it will happen while we are here, and after we are gone.

The trouble is, as it is happening, we are accelerating it, adding to it, tipping and influencing the normal balance, at an alarming rate.

We as a species have become so numerous on the planet, and our industrial actions so widespread across the entire earth, that we are influencing the very climate of the entire planet. And it's not in a way that will benefit us in the long run.

It's hard to believe, that one species can influence the entire planet. Yes, it is hard to believe.

Why is it hard to believe? We are the only species with competent brains. (well some of us)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I also have no clue why in 2009 we are so dependant on oil. We have so much technology out there to rely on other resources. You can blame the democrats for the lack of nuclear energy in this country. So its kind of hypocritical of them now.
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Exactly talk about creating jobs now and doing something useful but that makes too much sense for scientists whose lives rely on this BS in the form of grants.

And to grow ANYTHING don't you need CO2? Wouldn't polar ice caps melting provide more water and not less for farmlands or in the 'land of Gore' does ice evaporate faster that water?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alas, for the most part, most of the above has already happened.

Reality sucks.

There is a shortage of water because the glaciers are melting? Arent glaciers ice and doesnt melting ice turn to water?

Tropical islands are on the verge of being flooded? LOL sure they are.

Polar bears are drowning? And??????

We are facing food shortages from "predicted droughts"? So the food committed suicide rather than face the upcoming droughts?

Alaska's permafrost is thawing. Is this bad?

Multiple species will be gone forever? If species never went extinct we would have dinosaurs to contend with. Now that would be a problem!