Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

[pointman]

I don't know the rules, but I was under the impression that the connections cannot administer anything to the horse in the detention barn and if anything is to be administered, i.e. lasix, it is done by a NYRA vet. If this is not the rule, it should be.

The truth is until the syringe and the horse are tested, who knows what was in that syringe? And if the NYRA people allowed him to administer the drug under their supervision, then the procedures clearly need to be changed.

It seems to me that logic dictates that if he was going to administer it to IWR as well there must have been some reason for it other than to treat a cough, the odds are not too high that he had the only two coughing horses in the detention barn. If it is not for a cough and it doesn't enhance performance, what was the purpose?

As for Mullins comment regarding New York, sorry, Jeff, I don't feel sorry for someone who is unwilling to learn the rules of the racetrack they are racing at, particularly with regard to such big stakes. It sucks that you can't get away with things in New York that you can elsewhere.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Sicko is gunna have an excuse for everything he does wrong. This is the equivalent of going 80 mph, and saying the cops didn't stop me. Must be cool with the law, or they surely would of let my sorry a-s-s know.

[TalkToTheHoof]

Originally Posted by pointman

It seems to me that logic dictates that if he was going to administer it to IWR as well there must have been some reason for it other than to treat a cough, the odds are not too high that he had the only two coughing horses in the detention barn. If it is not for a cough and it doesn't enhance performance, what was the purpose?

Good point.

He also sent Air Power along with IWR when the horse went to the security barn before the Gotham last month. Not only does Mullins have the only two coughing horses in the barn, but one of them has had a cough for over a month.

Mullins has no idea if the Air Power was or wasn't administered to IWR before the Gotham. Why should he know what his horses are getting before a race? After all, he's only the trainer.

Originally Posted by Honu

R u f uc cking kidding me , like Jeff didnt know it was not allowed to give a horse anything but water orally the day of the race , freaking liar , I dont get him , wtf , the crap doesnt work that much anyway . He will make a mockery of this whole thing ..........stupid ass/s because now he has a case , they let him in with it , he claims stupid and assumes its legal to give anything but water in a horses mouth on raceday , AWESOME JOB!!!!!!!!!

I dont know if he could have given a response worse
than he did. If he does not know the rules he should lose
his lisence.

Pathological liar. And a cheater.

[doll0608]

I am just going to clarify a few things that need to be addressed in this discussion. In absolutly no way am I defending this scuz ball........

What he was trying to administer to his horse is just a "breathing aid". These products are usually Menthal or Eucalyptus based. They work the same way as "Vicks" works if you put it under your nose. The instructions for these medications are to admister a few hours before the horse "performs". Sometimes we will give a horse Wind-Aide before they gallop for a chronic cough just to clear their airway. However, what this trainer did was a blatant, defience of the rules. I am pretty sure that in Saratoga the rules are posted right in the entry way and it reads that you are not allowed to bring any substances to aid the horses in any way before they race. We have an massage machine that we use daily and that is not even allowed in to the detention barn.

Unless this guy lives under a rock he knew that what he was doing was clearly a violation the rules. I am sure that he didn't walk through the gate with the mouth syringe in clear view and i am almost positive he had to conceal it somewhere on him. He needs to just get over it and face the fact that he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

[outofthebox]

Most likely why the security at the entry gate did not catch the "Air Power" bottle was because there was none. Mullins knows it's not allowed in the det. barn, he's no dummy and has been down this road before. So it was placed either an a empty labeled alcohol bottle, or in the syringe in which he was caught with. I've been in the det. barn numerous times and always had my totes or boxes searched, but never my body. And he's actually putting the blame on NYRA security..what a joke this guy is...

[docicu3]

“If they hadn’t stopped me after I gave [AirPower] to Gato Go Win, then I would have done the same with I Want Revenge.”

Mucolytics "Airpower" (medications used to mobilize or clear secretions or surpress cough) are voo doo. They are ineffective in thinning secretions and do nothing to supress cough or dilate bronchi or airways in humans.

Given how likely Mullins was to get caught administering anything in the DB, I can't help but wonder if their was more in this syringe than a useless cough medicine and mucolytic but that the contents was undetectable by conventional drug testing. The whole thing makes no sense as the risk far exceeds the reward as the facts are known and written currently.

Either of these two horses would likely have been scratched if they had real upper respiratory illness why would Mullins take a chance of this magnitude to give a horse a useless substance that has no data to support it's use in humans or horses. It's more likely that we don't know what he actually has or had planned to give his horses.

I would not have come to this conclusion until reading that he planned that both horses would get the same OTC medication.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by doll0608

I am just going to clarify a few things that need to be addressed in this discussion. In absolutly no way am I defending this scuz ball........

What he was trying to administer to his horse is just a "breathing aid". These products are usually Menthal or Eucalyptus based. They work the same way as "Vicks" works if you put it under your nose. The instructions for these medications are to admister a few hours before the horse "performs". Sometimes we will give a horse Wind-Aide before they gallop for a chronic cough just to clear their airway. However, what this trainer did was a blatant, defience of the rules. I am pretty sure that in Saratoga the rules are posted right in the entry way and it reads that you are not allowed to bring any substances to aid the horses in any way before they race. We have an massage machine that we use daily and that is not even allowed in to the detention barn.

Unless this guy lives under a rock he knew that what he was doing was clearly a violation the rules. I am sure that he didn't walk through the gate with the mouth syringe in clear view and i am almost positive he had to conceal it somewhere on him. He needs to just get over it and face the fact that he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

I appreciate you trying to clearify some of the rules of the detention barn and you obviously have much more knowledge than I do regarding this subject. Here are a few questions that I have that I would appreciate if you or someone else can answer that would shed light on some this.

First, do the rules allow the administration of any substance by syringe to any horse in the detention barn by the connections?

Is anyone allowed to administer a substance in the detention barn other than the NYRA veternarian or under his/her supervision?

Doc, I agree that there certainly needs to be some clarification of the facts. Was a bottle of Air Power found on Mullins or is that what he is claiming the substance in the syringe to be? If it was, why did he feel the need to administer this substance to two horses on Saturday? I agree that if the horses indeed had breathing problems, why were they racing?

The shame of this is that it has a high likelihood of placing a cloud over what was otherwise a terrific performance. IWR showed he could relax, he could move when his rider wanted him to, he didn't mind getting dirt kicked in his face, that he could overcome trouble and move into tight holes. It looked to me that when Talamo was initially blocked in the stretch that he tried to take IWR inside but finding no room, he jerked IWR's head to the outside where there was a tight hole which IWR immediately moved through and once clear he went on in hand without the use of the stick prompting him. It further validated his big Gothem performance regardless the drop in Beyer considering the trip he had. It just amazes me that Mullins would even take the risk of putting himself in this position considering that the spotlight was on him Saturday.

I feel like this thread is a Scooby-Doo episode where Shaggy and Scooby accidentally solve the case.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

i'm the boogie man....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mullins simply missed the "No Syringes" sign on the way into the detention barn. No biggie.

right below the no smoking sign?

[doll0608]

Originally Posted by pointman

I appreciate you trying to clearify some of the rules of the detention barn and you obviously have much more knowledge than I do regarding this subject. Here are a few questions that I have that I would appreciate if you or someone else can answer that would shed light on some this.

First, do the rules allow the administration of any substance by syringe to any horse in the detention barn by the connections?

Is anyone allowed to administer a substance in the detention barn other than the NYRA veternarian or under his/her supervision?
Doc, I agree that there certainly needs to be some clarification of the facts. Was a bottle of Air Power found on Mullins or is that what he is claiming the substance in the syringe to be? If it was, why did he feel the need to administer this substance to two horses on Saturday? I agree that if the horses indeed had breathing problems, why were they racing?

The shame of this is that it has a high likelihood of placing a cloud over what was otherwise a terrific performance. IWR showed he could relax, he could move when his rider wanted him to, he didn't mind getting dirt kicked in his face, that he could overcome trouble and move into tight holes. It looked to me that when Talamo was initially blocked in the stretch that he tried to take IWR inside but finding no room, he jerked IWR's head to the outside where there was a tight hole which IWR immediately moved through and once clear he went on in hand without the use of the stick prompting him. It further validated his big Gothem performance regardless the drop in Beyer considering the trip he had. It just amazes me that Mullins would even take the risk of putting himself in this position considering that the spotlight was on him Saturday.

I know that some trainers feel that it is important to rinse the horses mouth out before putting the bridle on. When NYRA implemented the rules we opted to not even press the issue and not bring any type of mouth syringe in the barn. I am not sure if you can even bring these in empty or not.

The only vets allowed into the detention area are the state vets and the only medication they are allowed to administer is lasix. I remember the first year of the detention barn a horse was colicing which needed immediate attention by the trainers own vet. Every medication, needle and syringe brought into and out of the barn was closely monitored by security and the state veterinarians. As soon as the horse was stable enough to leave the barn, the horse, trainer, groom and vet were all walked out together escorted by security. NYRA takes this detention procedure very seriously, it was not implemented just to please the public. Also, some trainers were trying to get around the 6 hour hold by having vets give medications right before their horses were sent over. They would send the horses over with dried blood on their neck. After a week of these findings the state vets had a meeting with track veterinarians telling them that if they were found to have done this they would be punished and the horse would be scratched. NYRA has tried to do the best they can do. Yes cheaters will always find a way to cheat.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by philcski

As for future trips to New York for racing, Mullins said that the only time he would want to race in New York again would be in the Belmont Stakes (G1) if I Want Revenge wins the Derby and Preakness Stakes (G1).

“I’ve never had a good experience anytime I go to New York, and I will avoid New York at all costs,” Mullins said. “I hope to go there one more time with a Derby-Preakness winner, but I won’t be looking for reasons to go.”
Mahoney said that stewards would confer on Mullins’s detention barn violation later this week—most likely on Wednesday.


Good. DON'T EVER COME BACK!

oh, what--it's new yorks fault this guy is a moron/idiot/imbecile/cheater?!?! nice. the rules are clear. no race day except salix (lasix). that means NO race day, not 'no race day unless you have a mullet, repeat offenses, and are from out of state'. just how clear do they have to be?


the owners are culpable as well, as they probably will keep him as trainer. hell, they hired him to begin with, they must like his mode of operation. i doubt ieah has an issue with how he does things.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

NYRA doesn't employ grooms and or horsemen, just security to oversee everything. I sure wouldn't be handing my horse to some stranger and saying "I'll see you in the paddock for the G1 race in 6 hours..." They do check bags and boxes and totes etc that are brought in. Everyone from hotwalkers to trainers are supposed to be checked. A metal dosing syringe easily fits in the pocket of a jacket and since it was cold, no one would think a fairly heavy coat was odd. Not sure why they failed to check his pockets though.

i saw that there was a rumor that he had brought the syringe in inside his coat-that the owners were pretty ticked off when they heard that was how he brought it into the det barn; mullins of course denies it, saying the syringe was in the pail with his other stuff. of course, he's always the most honest of fellows. i'm sure he's shocked anyone would doubt him.

[parsixfarms]

From the Bloodhorse story on the Mullins defense:

Gato Go Win is owned by the partnership of Dean De Renzo, Randy Hartley, Joey Platts, and William "Joe" Sims. Mullins said NYRA officials told the owners they would be reimbursed for all the nomination and entry fees associated with the Bay Shore.

If this is true, NYRA ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

From the Bloodhorse story on the Mullins defense:

Gato Go Win is owned by the partnership of Dean De Renzo, Randy Hartley, Joey Platts, and William "Joe" Sims. Mullins said NYRA officials told the owners they would be reimbursed for all the nomination and entry fees associated with the Bay Shore.

If this is true, NYRA ought to be ashamed of themselves.

mullins should be the one to reimburse. if not for his stupidity, the horse could have and would have run.

is it standard procedure to reimburse when there's a scratch, regardless of the reason why?

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mullins should be the one to reimburse. if not for his stupidity, the horse could have and would have run.

is it standard procedure to reimburse when there's a scratch, regardless of the reason why?

I could see refunding the start fee, but entry and nomination fee, that's a crock.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mullins should be the one to reimburse. if not for his stupidity, the horse could have and would have run.

is it standard procedure to reimburse when there's a scratch, regardless of the reason why?

The only time that we have received entry fees back was on an occasion where we entered a horse in a turf stake, and he was on the AEs and did not draw into the race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It's more likely that we don't know what he actually has or had planned to give his horses.

I would not have come to this conclusion until reading that he planned that both horses would get the same OTC medication.

Wouldn't they confiscate it and test it later? I sure hope so.

To go off on a boxing scandel rant ...

The great trainer Panama Lewis got in no trouble in an 80's fight when the tv camera caught him yelling "not that bottle, the special one I mixed" when Aaron 'The Hawk' Pryor was given his water in his corner at the end of a round in a fight he was struggling in.

After he drank from the requested special water bottle .. he rallied with total ferocity and KO'd Alexis Arguello.

I guess a lot of people brushed it aside .. saying the great Pyror never needed to cheat and all.

The very next year - one of Panama's more light punching fighters beat an undefeated young fighter to a pulp. When the trainer of the young fighter went to shake the hand of Panama's fighter afterwards ... he felt that the padding had been cut out of the glove and went crazy to get the attention of the state commision.

Turns out - not only had the padding been cut away .. but Panama's fighter also had his hand wrap soaked in plaster. The young fighter suffered career ending injuries and committed suicide less than a year later.

Had Panama Lewis been punished and had more than just his reputation slightly hurt from the water bottle incident .. it makes you wonder if he wouldn't have been cheating so brazenly again so soon after getting in no trouble.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

why are any of you suprised mullins is a bad guy..why do you think maker all of a sudden got on a 'roll' remember when noone could beat contessa on the inner.. our sport has its issues just knowing who
is a bad guy helps.notice who did not win every 2 year old race this year at
toga.t.a.p.. i have a respect for the people who want integrity in the sport but until they have the vets under one flag it wont happen.