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docicu3 · #**121** 08-01-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

40 going on 50.

All right!!!... they got the kid a run as he leaves so he can win if they do.

docicu3 · #**122** 08-01-2008, 11:27 PM

What the hell was that Circus with Manny running down the line like he was chasing a six foot spliff during Madi Gras. He can move when he wants to it's just that he is impossible to motivate....

So that's where Chen Ho Park is pitching now??.....not a reliever by nature IMO.

Good Night Scuds,Chuck....enough Senior circuit for me

SCUDSBROTHER · #**123** 08-01-2008, 11:28 PM

Yea, KEMP is just dumb like that. That's normal.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**124** 08-01-2008, 11:32 PM

Chan Ho getting way too much of dat plate. This ain't minors. That down the center pitch ain't gunna cut it tonite.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**125** 08-01-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

What the hell was that Circus with Manny running down the line like he was chasing a six foot spliff during Madi Gras. He can move when he wants to it's just that he is impossible to motivate....

So that's where Chen Ho Park is pitching now??.....not a reliever by nature IMO.

Good Night Scuds,Chuck....enough Senior circuit for me

He doesn't have it tonite. Should take him out like 5 minutes ago.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**126** 08-02-2008, 01:29 AM

Fell asleep. Didn't miss anything. Same choking offensive bunch. Scoring 1 run is for losers. Bunch of losers. No matter what they do, for 20 years now, they can't get a winning bunch of men together. The fact I fell asleep with 6 outs still to use (down by a run) shows I pretty much knew this bunch was gunna keep laying. They did. They don't fight offensively( Women in white pants n' cleats.) I'm sure Joe gunna say "We hopefully will blah blah blah..."..........He should be saying "We didn't...we aren't...we keep...we're failing" This constant look to the future bullshit is a constant loser trait. Tell people they failed to do what they're paid to do. Don't tell them they're gunna stop fkn up. Tell them they're fkn up.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**127** 08-02-2008, 09:41 AM

They are gunna continue to choke, and under perform until they get a skipper with a hate to lose attitude. Torre is now very accepting to the process of losing. He is so used to it that he forgets what it was like to be dominant. They should keep letting him coddle, and then when his contract is up, offer the job to Gibson(in the Arizona dugout.) That's what I see in this whole situation between these 2 teams. One dugout got a winner in their ear, and the other got a coddling loser in their ear. That's exactly the way they play it out. The last 2 nights, the Dodgers scored 1st, and the D'BACKS scored immediately right back on them. That's an attitude that team has, and the Dodgers don't have the right attitude. THEY JUST DON'T. They have had the attitude of coddling losers Grady/Torre. Their whole attitude is "things are gunna get better." It's a piss poor attitude. It never holds anyone accountable for poor offensive performance, because it always says delay judgement 'til future results come in. How 'bout you go into that fkn' clubhouse. You shut da fkn door. You call out Chan Ho's name, and you tell him he lost half this game. No coddling. Right in front of everybody, you do the unthinkable, and hold him accountable. Then, you tell every s-h-i-t batter that they scored 1 fkn run together, and they lost the other half the game. That's it. Send them on their way, but make sure they know exactly the who and why. There is responibility. Hand it out, and make them own it. I know it's too much to ask from an old man that is constantly in commercials pimping Bigelow Green tea (his green tea of fkn choice for years,) but that's what needs to be done.

Mortimer · #**128** 08-02-2008, 10:20 AM

It's funny how great managers can become medicore managers overnight.

But Manny being Franny should really help.

docicu3 · #**129** 08-02-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They are gunna continue to choke, and under perform until they get a skipper with a hate to lose attitude. Torre is now very accepting to the process of losing. He is so used to it that he forgets what it was like to be dominant. They should keep letting him coddle, and then when his contract is up, offer the job to Gibson(in the Arizona dugout.) That's what I see in this whole situation between these 2 teams. One dugout got a winner in their ear, and the other got a coddling loser in their ear. That's exactly the way they play it out. The last 2 nights, the Dodgers scored 1st, and the D'BACKS scored immediately right back on them. That's an attitude that team has, and the Dodgers don't have the right attitude. THEY JUST DON'T. They have had the attitude of coddling losers Grady/Torre. Their whole attitude is "things are gunna get better." It's a piss poor attitude. It never holds anyone accountable for poor offensive performance, because it always says delay judgement 'til future results come in. How 'bout you go into that fkn' clubhouse. You shut da fkn door. You call out Chan Ho's name, and you tell him he lost half this game. No coddling. Right in front of everybody, you do the unthinkable, and hold him accountable. Then, you tell every s-h-i-t batter that they scored 1 fkn run together, and they lost the other half the game. That's it. Send them on their way, but make sure they know exactly the who and why. There is responibility. Hand it out, and make them own it. I know it's too much to ask from an old man that is constantly in commercials pimping Bigelow Green tea (his green tea of fkn choice for years,) but that's what needs to be done.

Did Manny get ripped for his stroll for the triple or is the Kool Aid still cold enough to drink?

SCUDSBROTHER · #**130** 08-02-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

Did Manny get ripped for his stroll for the triple or is the Kool Aid still cold enough to drink?

Look at the score. They got 1 g d run. They gave up 2(again ...2 nites... same result.) Where is the problem? It ain't giving up 2. The problem is with any and all creatures responsible for only getting 1 run. This is the g d problem. FKN do not hit. This cancer is never taken out. Just sits up there in that ravine like a massive hunk of dung.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**131** 08-02-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

It's funny how great managers can become medicore managers overnight.

But Manny being Franny should really help.

He has been mediocre for about 8 years. He had one of the best teams ever put together(from 1996-1999.) He had the right style to manage dominant talent. He doesn't have the right style to manage lazy people. I have a real disagreement with you over the "great manager" premise. He is gunna have to motivate a very lazy group here. These people don't have the inner desire to fight every nite. It either comes from him and his staff, or this bunch will come 2nd or 3rd each year, because this is a settling bunch of individuals. That group across from them last night has been scoring (in direct counter assault) whenever another team scores on them. Some call that scoring at will, but it isn't. It is scoring when somebody wants to take what you want. They have that desire. That's something Torre and his staff have been unable to instill in people for about 8 years.I've been watching this guy manage for about 2/3 of a season. I've seen most of the games. I once thought the guy had some part in those Yankee Championships. I don't think he had nearly as much to do with those as he had to do with their playoff loses in this century.Now I know why they went out early in those playoff series. He can't motivate talented people that are mentally weak. He has had the talent. He can't motivate it. You can get results from talented people in 2 ways.The Parcells way, or the Lasorda way. Everything else is in between those extremes. He does a half-a-s-s lukewarm Lasorda thing that doesn't work. Worked great with huge talent '96-'99, but hasn't worked before, or since.

gales0678 · #**132** 08-02-2008, 11:58 AM

Scuds - the Torre Yankees from those years where great teams no question

you had figheters , cone , pettite, boggs, tino , brosius , jeter , posoda , and of course the ultimate gamer in O'neill

He didn't really have to do much in 96. The team had a lead after 7 innings it was lights out with Rivera and Wetland coming in

They got better in '98 and '99 , could have won it all in 97 as well but Rivera got beat by Alomar in game 4

Joe was the perfect fit for that team , he didn't need to get these guys motivated , they all fed off of o'neil and cone

once those guys retired , it became a different team , it seemed to me that Joe's luck ran out when the dbacks beat him in 01. The team just didn't have the internal fire after that loss and it became harder and harder each year to win.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**133** 08-02-2008, 12:10 PM

He is o.k. tactically. Most of his decisions are good ones. Talented people aren't performing to their capability when he is in charge. That's their division rival, and they've scored 2 runs total in the 1st two games of the series against them. This is what took place when he managed the Yanks in the playoffs the last 6-7 years. The teams don't perform well offensively against good pitching. This is the fact. He has had the talent.

dalakhani · #**134** 08-02-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

Scuds - the Torre Yankees from those years where great teams no question

you had figheters , cone , pettite, boggs, tino , brosius , jeter , posoda , and of course the ultimate gamer in O'neill

He didn't really have to do much in 96. The team had a lead after 7 innings it was lights out with Rivera and Wetland coming in

They got better in '98 and '99 , could have won it all in 97 as well but Rivera got beat by Alomar in game 4

Joe was the perfect fit for that team , he didn't need to get these guys motivated , they all fed off of o'neil and cone

once those guys retired , it became a different team , it seemed to me that Joe's luck ran out when the dbacks beat him in 01. The team just didn't have the internal fire after that loss and it became harder and harder each year to win.

I agree with much of this. To add, remember that Torre brought that "national league style" to the american league in 96. Before that, there wasnt a whole lot of small ball being played.

I think many observers underestimate how much impact Zim had on those teams. The Yankees won only one playoff series since he left if im not mistaken. Zim was the tactician of the two.

Mortimer · #**135** 08-02-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He has been mediocre for about 8 years. He had one of the best teams ever put together(from 1996-1999.) He had the right style to manage dominant talent. He doesn't have the right style to manage lazy people. I have a real disagreement with you over the "great manager" premise. He is gunna have to motivate a very lazy group here. These people don't have the inner desire to fight every nite. It either comes from him and his staff, or this bunch will come 2nd or 3rd each year, because this is a settling bunch of individuals. That group across from them last night has been scoring (in direct counter assault) whenever another team scores on them. Some call that scoring at will, but it isn't. It is scoring when somebody wants to take what you want. They have that desire. That's something Torre and his staff have been unable to instill in people for about 8 years.I've been watching this guy manage for about 2/3 of a season. I've seen most of the games. I once thought the guy had some part in those Yankee Championships. I don't think he had nearly as much to do with those as he had to do with their playoff loses in this century.Now I know why they went out early in those playoff series. He can't motivate talented people that are mentally weak. He has had the talent. He can't motivate it. You can get results from talented people in 2 ways.The Parcells way, or the Lasorda way. Everything else is in between those extremes. He does a half-a-s-s lukewarm Lasorda thing that doesn't work. Worked great with huge talent '96-'99, but hasn't worked before, or since.

Jesus.

I was being sarcastic.

80 to 90% of managers are interchangeable..ie.....they would make no difference to a team. The rest split as being incompetent and very good.

Difference makers.

GPK · #**136** 08-02-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Jesus.

I was being sarcastic.

80 to 90% of managers are interchangeable..ie.....they would make no difference to a team. The rest split as being incompetent and very good.

Difference makers.

^^ Theo Epstein