Lawyer Ron returns in St. Louis Derby

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That was advice and not a personal attack, mood.....

Thanks for the advice, Mr. Cunningham.

But to be frank, you have no clue of my knowledge of the sport.

And being frank again, you are about the same age as I am. And although I'm sure you have gained an absolute lifetime of experience and knowledge in your short tenure of wearing a tie at Churchill, I'm not too keen on taking advice from someone like you.

Listen, I have acquaintances who worked with you at the esteemed Churchill Downs.

You aren't fooling me with your inspired write-ups for an obscure publication.

Go get another job in administration Joel......

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

I'm still waiting for him to produce the post where he claims that I called Sheikh Mo a terrorist. Hes a liar, plain and simple. I deleted or edited nothing, and the administrators here certainly will be able to determine this. He got emotional, misinterpreted something that i said, then made up outright lies. I really expected more out of him than that. I also expected him to go back and take a look and see that he was wrong. Apparently it would dishonor him too much to do so.
Word of advice while writing for the new gig, don't put words in people's mouths and lie about what they said. Most guys won't give you a second interview if you do so.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Thanks for the advice, Mr. Cunningham.

But to be frank, you have no clue of my knowledge of the sport.

And being frank again, you are about the same age as I am. And although I'm sure you have gained an absolute lifetime of experience and knowledge in your short tenure of wearing a tie at Churchill, I'm not too keen on taking advice from someone like you.

Listen, I have acquaintances who worked with you at the esteemed Churchill Downs.

You aren't fooling me with your inspired write-ups for an obscure publication.

Go get another job in administration Joel......

Thanks for the advice...I'll keep that in mind.

Have a nice day

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

Originally Posted by oracle80

I really expected more out of him than that.

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Ok so produce teh alleged quote or quotes then. It should be a breeze. What you are doing is attempting to draw attention away from the fact that you lied.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ok so produce teh alleged quote or quotes then. It should be a breeze. What you are doing is attempting to draw attention away from the fact that you lied.

i certainly don't have to justify anything to you...You are the hypocrit that was cheering for "America" and Americans versus the world the other day and then slobbered all over Johnny V. - a non-American in you posts.....Hypocrit...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Here are two...

Makybe Diva and Phar Lap

Or maybe Sunline and Might and Power

Zabeel and Strawberry Road.

In the picture of "our" industry they might be small players. And the reason for that is that they have "their" industry that they really don't need to compare to ours. The Australians don't need to come up here and run for our purse money...ever. They have plenty of their own.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

danehill isn't limited to australia anyway. he shuttled every year til his last couple at stud.
look at the international sires list for 2005 for example. he's third, behind sunday silence and brians time...most stakes winners in europe that year.
fourth in '04 and second in '03.

the one bright spot? langfuhr finished the year last year as #12 in the sire list here..ahead of the likes of unbridleds song, kingmambo and his 300k stud fee..ahead of pulpit, awesome again, fupeg and hennessy to name a few.

was #15 in '04....belong to me #23...ahead of gone west and pulpit....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Sunline never won the Melbourne Cup.

[Danzig]

probably talking about 'the mare' makybe diva, who won three years in a row. she also won the cox plate. that girl was incredible.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

No sir, you won't tell me anything.

The reason that American buyers don't go buy Australian horses and bring them here isn't because they are not as good as most other parts of the world. You really think South American and European horses are just better than Australian ones, and that is the reason you see a lot of them here?

I'm glad you have the assurance of having this figured out, but when you stumble across the real reason, feel free to come back on and explain it to everyone in an editorial.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

Because the South American horses are running for G1 purses of about $50,000, while in Australia they run for $1,000,000 (2mill Aussie$) G1 purses. it's the same reason we can't go buy the Japanese horses; their purses are big enough that the American buyers can't buy top performers for a song. Most of the Euro horses sold to the US (as opposed to the raiders) were second class over there and the buyers hope they will improve with Lasix and dry turf. Back when I started going to the races, there were several good Aussie and Kiwi runners in the US, especially in California, horses like Daryl's Joy, Broker's Tip II, Divide and Rule, all classic winners back home and winners of races which would later become grade 1 when grading was introduced.

You did notice when Elvstroem won the Dubai Duty Free a year or so ago? Or when the third or fourth best sprinter in Australia, Choisir, went to Royal Ascot and won a G1? Australia/New Zealand is where most of the horses who race in Hong Kong are bred, including Silent Witness. Australian horses run without any drugs and any horse that bleeds after a race is banned from racing after the second occurence. They run on hard, dry turf and wet, soggy turf, left and right handed and down straights, in front of crowds that make ours look pathetic. Racehorses actually race full campaigns and are national heros there, unlike in this country.

I realize that the learned gentleman is not about to let a few facts make a dent in his parochial prejudices. But others who read this board may be interested in investigating the racing in a country where the sport still has the status and visibility that it had in this country 60 years ago.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now.

Yeah ... but how are they doing in Mongolia and Belarus?

Nobody cares about Australasia, honey ... not even the Australasians.

Stick to cutting and pasting ... and stop insulting everyone else's intelligence with your fatuousness.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Actually, I agree with you - Roman stole Varola's work and coasted on it for a few years but seems to have lost interest. But I wouldn't call Buckaroo or Apalachee horrible stallions, either.

We're talking about establishing or continuing a male line.

Buckaroo sired exactly two male G1 winners ... and Apalachee sired exactly one. Not quite the type of mass production that dynasties are built on ... or which deserve chef-de-race designation.

Were they horrible? In terms of establishing or continuing a line ... they sure were.

Do you have any other questions ... which don't involve cutting or pasting?

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Comon Pedigree Anne...you know I was talking about sires - not race horses...he too got all the best mares in his hayday and still was a failure at stud to speak relatively....you know that....

Annie is still waiting for a major comeback by her favorite ... the Sir Gallahad line ...

... and waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting ... and cutting ... and pasting ... and waiting ...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

You need tio learn how to read before you comment and then look like an idiot....I said that Danzig IS NOT A SIRE OF SIRES!!!...and I even acknowledge that he was a GREAT racehorse stallion and GREAT broodmare influence - just not a great SIRE OF SIRES......You clearly didn't read this thread correctly...

Now, if you think that Danzig is a great sire of sires, then you may want to try a different sport that you actually know something about....

Poor reading comprehension is becoming a pandemic on this site ...

... I think it started with Pedigree Anne ... and spread like AIDS from there.

Still waiting for Steve to get that Remedial Reading Comprehension forum going.