Zenyetta vs Racheal - Page 6

Antitrust32 · #**101** 08-12-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106245.html

Shirreffs is in no hurry to bring Zenyatta back to the races. He ruled out the Grade 1 Pacific Classic against males here on Sept. 6, meaning Zenyatta will make her next two starts during the Oak Tree meeting at Santa Anita. The first start is obvious - the Grade 1 Lady's Secret Stakes on Oct. 10. Then comes the Breeders' Cup on Nov. 6 and 7. Zenyatta won the BC Ladies' Classic last year, but Shirreffs and owners Jerry and Ann Moss are entertaining thoughts of the Classic, against males.

"We'll wait and see who is running in the Breeders' Cup, what the opposition is, and what's most advantageous," Shirreffs said Monday. "Right now, we just have to be patient."

Those connected with Zenyatta are desirous of a matchup with Rachel Alexandra, the country's best 3-year-old filly. If both continue to win, a race involving those two would undoubtedly determine Horse of the Year. But Jess Jackson, the majority owner of Rachel Alexandra, has stated repeatedly that the Breeders' Cup is out for his filly.

"If they," Shirreffs said, referring to Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta, "are going to decide Horse of the Year, I would hope it could be settled at the Breeders' Cup. If it isn't, and we think we have the opportunity to win it, then we'll have to go travel after the Breeders' Cup.

"The Breeders' Cup being what it is, that would be a great setting for that decision. That's what the Thoroughbred industry did, create a venue for the best horses in the country, and the world, to come together. Certainly you want to support that."
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The part in bold is what pisses me off the most about them. They have arguably the best horse in the world and they are going to let others dictate to them where they run? If you have the best horse and you BELIEVE you have the best horse, you say "I'm running here and if you think you can beat me, take your best shot." Not sit back and say "hmm, let me see which race is going to be the toughest one first....and then I'll chose the easiest one." That's complete and total bs. How in the world can you have a horse like Zenyatta and be afraid of ANY challenge? My God.

where is that chicken picture Coach uses?

Smooth Operator · #**102** 08-12-2009, 11:05 AM

Hilarious ... dissing Z's connections when crybaby Jackson doesn't want to let his filly join the rest of the racing world at the World Thoroughbred Championships this fall.

Too funny

Z doesn't have to go anywhere ... she's the reigning queen. If they want a piece of the champ they have to come to her house...

MaTH716 · #**103** 08-12-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Hilarious ... dissing Z's connections when crybaby Jackson doesn't want to let his filly join the rest of the racing world at the World Thoroughbred Championships this fall.

Too funny

Z doesn't have to go anywhere ... she's the reigning queen. If they want a piece of the champ they have to come to her house...

That's the type of attitude that's going to cost the queen her throne!

10 pnt move up · #**104** 08-12-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

That's the type of attitude that's going to cost the queen her throne!

you really think she wont defend her eclipse crown?

JerseyJ · #**105** 08-12-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Hilarious ... dissing Z's connections when crybaby Jackson doesn't want to let his filly join the rest of the racing world at the World Thoroughbred Championships this fall.

Too funny

Z doesn't have to go anywhere ... she's the reigning queen. If they want a piece of the champ they have to come to her house...

Sherriffs and the Moss's are afraid of Rachel...they aren't doing a very good job of hiding from anyone, but then again, they should be scared of Rachel, because Rachel would drown the "so-called" champion mare. But I forgot, Anabaa's Creation, Lethal Heat, and Dawn After Dawn true tests of a Champion. Get a clue.

King Glorious · #**106** 08-12-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Tough comparison as those horses are obviously not themselves anymore.

True but the point was that coming off of the BC win, that's all Kip was planned for. They didn't know how much he'd be in decline now when they planned that light season for him for 2008.

slotdirt · #**107** 08-12-2009, 12:16 PM

I really don't think enough is being made of the fact that a thread entitled "Zenyetta vs Racheal" has garnered 106 posts.

MaTH716 · #**108** 08-12-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you really think she wont defend her eclipse crown?

No, you would think that she's a virtual lock for older female. I'm just talking about public perception. Also if/when Rachael wins Horse of the Year, you would think it would seriously take the air out of the sails of the Zenyatta camp.

TitanSooner · #**109** 08-12-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyJ

the "so-called" champion mare

with a statement like that, you should get a clue.

Antitrust32 · #**110** 08-12-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

No, you would think that she's a virtual lock for older female. I'm just talking about public perception. Also if/when Rachael wins Horse of the Year, you would think it would seriously take the air out of the sails of the Zenyatta camp.

IMO she is only a lock if she wins the BC Distaff. her record as of right now.. there are other mare's out there that can compete with that (which is pathetic really)

parsixfarms · #**111** 08-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

IMO she is only a lock if she wins the BC Distaff. her record as of right now.. there are other mare's out there that can compete with that (which is pathetic really)

Who? Seattle Smooth, Seventh Street or Miss Isella? Say what you will about Zenyatta's campaign this year, but neither of these fillies of mares has done enough to dethrone the reigning champ.

Danzig · #**112** 08-12-2009, 05:14 PM

i also think zenyatta is a lock for older mare-her carrying 129 a few weeks back to an emphatic victory is her best moment this year. hell, most trainers balk at a colt or older horse carrying that, she did it with ease.

King Glorious · #**113** 08-12-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Yea, I wasnt really responding to your post but using it to make my point. I can understand them wanting to go undefeated and all but what does it really mean when your facing shitty Cal fillies and mares on shitty surfaces. To me her undefeated streak is no more impressive than Peppers Pride's. And as far as the BC goes she beat up on the same shitty horses she had been racing against all year, except for Ginger Punch and a couple others who would of rather sh*t on the SA surface than run on it.

If your goal is to make sure nobody ever takes anything you say seriously ever again, you couldn't dream of doing better than this.

Smooth Operator · #**114** 08-13-2009, 12:17 AM

Lol ... how did I miss that gem from kgar311.

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Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Sherriffs and the Moss's are afraid of Rachel...they aren't doing a very good job of hiding from anyone, but then again, they should be scared of Rachel, because Rachel would drown the "so-called" champion mare. But I forgot, Anabaa's Creation, Lethal Heat, and Dawn After Dawn true tests of a Champion. Get a clue.

LOL … more talented comedians here than on any other horse racing board...

JerseyJ · #**115** 08-13-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Lol ... how did I miss that gem from kgar311.

LOL … more talented comedians here than on any other horse racing board...

Racing on polysh!t doesn't count for anything...it might as well be turf racing on tires and rubber. You actually think that you have a clue. Maybe if Zenyatta would face some real horses (Rachel Alexandra), we could see what type of a horse she really is, but it's kind of easy beating up on High Priced Claimers in G1s out in Saratoga.

JerseyJ · #**116** 08-13-2009, 11:05 AM

Just face it, Rachel Alexandra is arguably the best horse in training right now considering the dire straits of the pathetic older horse division.

kgar311 · #**117** 08-13-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

If your goal is to make sure nobody ever takes anything you say seriously ever again, you couldn't dream of doing better than this.

I said to ME ass clown, brush up on your comprehension. Its my opinion. How is hiding in California and going undefeated and not facing any better competition any different then hiding in New Mexico, going undefeated and not facing any better competition. It holds the same merit in my mind. Zenyatta is basically beating non winners and horses that would be 30k claimers in NY by a nose. Until she goes out and finds better competition her undefeated streak means nothing to me.

King Glorious · #**118** 08-13-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I said to ME ass clown, brush up on your comprehension. Its my opinion. How is hiding in California and going undefeated and not facing any better competition any different then hiding in New Mexico, going undefeated and not facing any better competition. It holds the same merit in my mind. Zenyatta is basically beating non winners and horses that would be 30k claimers in NY by a nose. Until she goes out and finds better competition her undefeated streak means nothing to me.

She did beat up on this one horse named Ginger Punch in Arkansas. You might remember Ginger Punch's name. I think she was the reigning champion older mare. And I'm not sure but I think that Arkansas is not in California. But I'll get back to you on that.

I understand your point and agree with it to an extent but going to ridiculous extremes to try to make it doesn't make any sense.

Travis Stone · #**119** 08-13-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

She did beat up on this one horse named Ginger Punch in Arkansas. You might remember Ginger Punch's name. I think she was the reigning champion older mare. And I'm not sure but I think that Arkansas is not in California. But I'll get back to you on that.

This Ginger Punch argument is weak. Brownie Points was second. If anyone thinks Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch overall they're kidding themselves.

SniperSB23 · #**120** 08-13-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I said to ME ass clown, brush up on your comprehension. Its my opinion. How is hiding in California and going undefeated and not facing any better competition any different then hiding in New Mexico, going undefeated and not facing any better competition. It holds the same merit in my mind. Zenyatta is basically beating non winners and horses that would be 30k claimers in NY by a nose. Until she goes out and finds better competition her undefeated streak means nothing to me.

The difference is people could ship into California and take her on. Horses couldn't ship in to run in New Mexico restricted races.