NYRA Knockers TAKE THIS!!! - Page 5

Revolution · #81 10-26-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

When people make the "pay teachers more" argument regarding any issue, then I know such people have very weak opinions.

My argument is that the government isn't here to bailout non-profits to the tune of millions of dollars every single year. You seem to think it is.

kgar311 · #82 10-26-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Actually I am one of those people that instead of wasting $19M on NYRA maybe we could use that money to improve education and pay teachers more.

Or does the money we use to improve education grow on trees? lol

The budget is the budget. If it didnt go to help improve racing it would be put somewhere to plant trees in a forest, they have to spend the money or lose funding the following year. Education gets there fair share look at all the money going there from the slots. Yonkers alone will be generating 250mil a year for education.

Revolution · #83 10-26-2006, 01:42 PM

The Keeneland numbers are up around 9-10%. All you need to do is look at this year vs last year.

Revolution · #84 10-26-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

The budget is the budget you idiot. If it didnt go to help improve racing it would be put somewhere to plant trees in a forest, they have to spend the money or lose funding the following year. Education gets there fair share look at all the money going there from the slots. Yonkers alone will be generating 250mil a year for education.

You are calling me an idiot. You know absolutely nothing about government you fool. Does the government budget $20 million in bailout funds for NYRA? LOL. What a moron. It is a non-profit you fool. The government doesn't budget money for them. You can't really be that stupid.

And it is their not there. Be careful about who you call an idiot.

Yonkers isn't NYRA either.

Cajungator26 · #85 10-26-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

You are calling me an idiot. You know absolutely nothing about government you fool. Does the government budget $20 million in bailout funds for NYRA? LOL. What a moron. It is a non-profit you fool. The government doesn't budget money for them. You can't really be that stupid.

And it is their not there. Be careful about who you call an idiot.

Hey, Rev... did you ask your brother for that info?

J/K LMAO

Revolution · #86 10-26-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

No.

(Consider that our federal government has bailed out private businesses, too.)

I dislike the "pay the teachers more" argument, that's all.

I'll direct my earlier post to you: do you think that Charlie is a "criminal" or a "crook?" These words have been thrown around far too loosely in this thread.

Fine. They aren't corrupt, just incompetent. Who cares either way. They are losing millions every single year.

Revolution · #87 10-26-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hey, Rev... did you ask your brother for that info?

J/K LMAO

Did you get that one out of you book of original thoughts?

I don't have a brother either. It is my friend's brother.

Don't you have to go out and raise money for the latest Republican child molester who goes telling us how moral he or she is. LOL. How about raising money for Katherine Harris' latest facelift?

blackthroatedwind · #88 10-26-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Fine. They aren't corrupt, just incompetent. Who cares either way. They are losing millions every single year.

You throw around slanderous words constantly and when proven wrong on one you move to another with a " who cares either way "?

You have been PROVEN wrong on numerous occasions in this thread. But you certainly don't care " either way ", those options being accurate or inaccurate, so why shouldn't you simply spew more inaccuracies. This is the internet after all.

Revolution · #89 10-26-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You throw around slanderous words constantly and when proven wrong on one you move to another with a " who cares either way "?

You have been PROVEN wrong on numerous occasions in this thread. But you certainly don't care " either way ", those options being accurate or inaccurate, so why shouldn't you simply spew more inaccuracies. This is the internet after all.

No. I still say they are corrupt. Once corrupt always corrupt. It is just a matter of time before it comes out. The fact that they continue to just lose money by the millions gives plenty of strength to my belief. However, if you think otherwise, than explain to me how they lose millions every single year.

Please, explain this to me. I have yet to hear how a non-profit can just lose tens of millions every single year.

kgar311 · #90 10-26-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee

I can ask the same of you...

As for me, I will make a new screen name and never sign in under this one ever again! Duh

If you don't pay, I have your legs broken.

LOL

Just kidding. I am good for it. You have my e-mail addy in your PM box. Once the winner is declared, one person gets the other person's address via e-mail and sends a MO or a check. Simple.

I believe your first statement more, the part about changing the screen name.
j/k Hey maybe we can do this more often id it works out. If not one runs the other off the site.

blackthroatedwind · #91 10-26-2006, 02:02 PM

Once corrupt always corrupt.

Interesting thought. So, I guess you feel that if you go to work for NYRA you automatically become corrupt? I know the answer, you have given it, which I find interesting. By the same token, if the Knicks say have an incompetent coach, and fire him, the next person will also be incompetent, as it is the position that performs at a certain level, according to you, and not the person inhabiting it.

You really are clueless. Thanks for the uplifting thoughts. Listening to you would make anyone feel better about themself.

randallscott35 · #92 10-26-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Actually I am one of those people that instead of wasting $19M on NYRA maybe we could use that money to improve education and pay teachers more.

Or does the money we use to improve education grow on trees? lol

There you go Rev!! That's the ticket. Half of all the teachers in the U.S. leave the profession after 5 years. A full 50%. Either it's too difficult for them or they don't earn enough to live where they do....Not crying poverty here, just making a point. The better the salary system, the more attractive candidates you could attract to the profession and at the same time keep those productive teachers who are already there.

sumitas · #93 10-26-2006, 02:43 PM

most teachers leave because they can't hack it. it's not the salary and the hours that's for sure.

Downthestretch55 · #94 10-26-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

most teachers leave because they can't hack it. it's not the salary and the hours that's for sure.

Oh boy! Sumitas!
That statement is one I can't agree with.
I'm with Randall on this one.
I really wish you knew how many hours outside of the classroom are spent in mandatory training, grading papers and lesson planning.
teachers deserve far more...both in respect and financially.

I sat on my hands before I typed anything on this thread ( and it's been an interesting read).
NYRA's alleged "corruption" is nothing. I'm saying NOTHING!
Do a google search of Neil Mallon Bush. Yes, he's our beloved president's brother. Yes, he paid a small fine in the 80's while the taxpayers bailed out Silverado Savings and Loan for a billion dollars. Yes, that's with a b.
He avoided jail time.
Now brother Neil has his hooks in education through his "business", Ignite!
And how is this wonderful enterprise funded?
Through daddy Bush's Crest Investments.
Ummm, corruption? Teacher's fault? Huh?
Google it. You might find more sins than nyra's.

SentToStud · #95 10-26-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Once corrupt always corrupt.

Interesting thought. So, I guess you feel that if you go to work for NYRA you automatically become corrupt? I know the answer, you have given it, which I find interesting. By the same token, if the Knicks say have an incompetent coach, and fire him, the next person will also be incompetent, as it is the position that performs at a certain level, according to you, and not the person inhabiting it.

You really are clueless. Thanks for the uplifting thoughts. Listening to you would make anyone feel better about themself.

as far as the Knicks coach analogy... yeah, at some point the answer is yes. you keep hiring failures, guess what, you are a failure yourself. In the real business world, you're out.

SentToStud · #96 10-26-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.

And on the subject of your NYRA reform leader Alan Hevisi...

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ate=10/26/2006

Is this person not highly involved in "reforming" NYRA?

My only point is this.... Non-profits, especially those mandated (read, run) by a State government make those non-profits political process driven, at least to some extent. Just like government run health care, you can expect it to run inefficiently.

That's my point.

blackthroatedwind · #97 10-26-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

as far as the Knicks coach analogy... yeah, at some point the answer is yes. you keep hiring failures, guess what, you are a failure yourself. In the real business world, you're out.

I used the Knicks as a joke, as it could have been any head coaching position in sports, as the point is individuals are corrupt or incompetent and it is not the position they hold as that is just a title. In the case of " NYRA ", it is the name of the organization, and while there has certainly been incompetence in the past, there is not currently and the individuals holding positions there should be judged on their merits and not those of previous job holders. None of the current NYRA management were involved in the indictments of the past.

blackthroatedwind · #98 10-26-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

And on the subject of your NYRA reform leader Alan Hevisi...

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...ate=10/26/2006

Is this person not highly involved in "reforming" NYRA?

My only point is this.... Non-profits, especially those mandated (read, run) by a State government make those non-profits political process driven, at least to some extent. Just like government run health care, you can expect it to run inefficiently.

That's my point.

I am not making an opinion of Alan Hevesi, but as he is the one where many of these allegations of corruptions stemmed from, it is also important to note that he has subsequently claimed they have cleaned themselves up. You can't believe one and not the other.

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SentToStud · #**100** 10-26-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not making an opinion of Alan Hevesi, but as he is the one where many of these allegations of corruptions stemmed from, it is also important to note that he has subsequently claimed they have cleaned themselves up. You can't believe one and not the other.

I guess there are just some people who feel non-profits are just no good at making money. Reasons include inability to compete for good people (read, compensation) and lack of sense of urgency. I suppose I'm one of those people. And when you have politicians at the State level "reforming" an industry at a time when the key to the vault is up for grabs, people are going to cast a jaundiced eye. I'm not judging Hevesi either. But the story I posted is what you get. It's not just regulation and reform. It's also politics. And when you take most any politician and start peeling the onion, ...