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09-19-2006, 11:31 PM
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yeah, thats a race for the ages. better than when Montjeu met Sinndar or any other running that I have seen. Repent 
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#82
09-19-2006, 11:33 PM
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really? are you European based? Im curious, is it that much of a consensus over there that she is the best femal middle distance horse? I like Alexandrova better. much better. Repent
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09-19-2006, 11:45 PM
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09-20-2006, 12:07 AM
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it was 2000, which was Sinndar's awesome 3YO year where he was basically a head away from being unbeaten. his only loss was by a head in a Epsom Derby prep race. he went on to win the Epsom Derby, the Irish Derby, and the Arc. retired with 7 wins in 8 starts. Montjeu won the Arc the previous year in 1999. funny thing is, I think Sinndar still lost out on year end honors b/c that was the same year Giants Causeway had an awesome 3YO campaign. Repent
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#86
09-20-2006, 06:11 PM
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I just learned that they are definately going to run Gorella next in a mile race at Keeneland, so there you go....it appears the decision has been basically made....they are definately thinking BC Mile first, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see them pre-enter both races...I think they are counting on Lady of Venice running in the F&M turf, but if Wait a While crushes her again at Keeneland in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes, then would they still want to run her in the Breeders' Cup?...I wouldn't see why....
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09-20-2006, 06:16 PM
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Yeah, Gorella is running in the Galaxy at Keeneland.
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09-20-2006, 06:18 PM
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09-20-2006, 06:58 PM
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also, keep in mind that historically, the fave in the distaff wins that race most often.
and ouija already beat alexandrova, didn't she?
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#90
09-20-2006, 09:52 PM
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Like usual on real turf courses (which Churchill Downs has), I don't like America's chances of winning any BC races on the grass if the expected Euros come....Gorella has the best shot in the F&M Turf, but they'll probably elect to hook boys that are faster than her....
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#91
09-20-2006, 09:55 PM
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nope.....never faced each other....
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#92
09-20-2006, 10:02 PM
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Gorella is actually a Euro.
The only reason I'm sorry she's not running in the F&M Turf, Joel, is so that I can see you eat crow:-) But, since Patrick is a friend, I am much happier to see her running in the race she has the best chance to win.
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#93
09-20-2006, 10:25 PM
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I happen to like Biancone too...nice guy and I spent some time at Rick's Cabernet with him when he was in New Orleans a couple of years ago  , and I like Gorella - but this year's Mile cannot be won if George Washington and Librettist show up, and thats not even mentioning Aragorn (who I don't care for in that spot)...You might need to be prepared to eat creaux (Cajun verbage) when she runs off the board in the Mile.... A wise trainer once told me that girls run against girls for a reason and very few fillies can beat boys consistently....not a more statistically factual statement in racing....this very trainer has won the Kentucky Oaks before and is widely regarded as one of the best trainers in our game...  Last edited by Cunningham Racing : 09-20-2006 at 10:33 PM.
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09-20-2006, 10:35 PM
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I never said she was going to hit the board.I just said IMO she has a better chance to win the mile than the other race.
I am very curious to see how this weekend's race at Ascot plays out. Obviously George Washington was tremendous in the English Guinees ( however the hell you spell it ) but his subsequent injury and performances ( albeit he hasn't had the best of trips ) have left something to be desired. If he runs a big one this weekend I too think he will be very tough in the BC Mile but we'll have to wait and see. I am unfamiliar with Librettist and will have to go to Racing Post and find out more about him. However, it is not considered a strong year for Euro milers at this point. Aragorn does seem very talented and at this point I can't say Gorella is a better horse. However, I don't think this year's race has to be as tough as you are indicating and a healthy Artie Schiller is a better horse than you give him credit for. He hasn't been right all year and I would hope you are not basing your opinion on him from his 2006 form. Plus, he got a perfect trip in the BC Mile last year. Regardless, I doubt she will be effective at 1 3/8 and I don't see how she can be expected to beat Ouiji Board there anyway. That one has been successfully knocking heads this year against some of the best horses in the world. Her form was suspect last year having just come back from an injury and one effort against absolute nobodies.
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09-20-2006, 10:37 PM
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I see you slipped this foolishness in late. Don't tell Miesque or any of the " girls ", you know like All Along ( trained by Biancone ), this silliness especially when it comes to grass racing. Frankly, the Europeans do it with success all the time.
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#96
09-20-2006, 10:45 PM
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Exciting and easy to cheer for, yes...but a Miesque she is not.... I can also name a claimer that won the Derby...it happens every now and again - but so does a solar eclipse....
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#97
09-20-2006, 10:50 PM
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Consistently? We're talking about one race here...one that fillies have had more than their fair share of success in. And the Derby? Well, considering we had two fillies win it in the 80s, and very few try it since, I don't think it is a good example for you. Obviously most don't match up, but those that do, more than hold their own.
Nobody is saying that fillies are better than colts on average...who would? But using the filly/mare argument as to why Gorella shouldn't run in the BC Mile ( a race she arguably could have won last year with a fair trip ) is poor at best. Methinks you're starting to grasp at straws.
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#98
09-20-2006, 11:03 PM
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Last year's Mile was horrible....you may have a different opinion and you are entitled to it, but I thought it before and after the race and I was unimpressed with Gorella's race....sorry, not impressed.....I am an Artie fan because I own a couple fo El Prado mares and he is likeable, but he is what he is and has lost more bad races in the last two years to make it evident that he is far from a classic.... Not reaching for straws here because I think we are both wasting each others time here....to be honest with you, if she preps in the Galaxy - I don't think she'll win either race - so we need to move on and discuss another horse.. Lets talk about why you think Commentator will win the BC Sprint after watching him throw up the other day....I think Henny Hughes is twice the horse....
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#99
09-20-2006, 11:19 PM
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No problem disagreeing about which race she is better suited for, you have made your points and I've made mine, so stop adding unnecessary foolishness that only detracts from your opinion. We can agree to disagree about which race she is better suited for and I do not necessarily disagree that she will be up against it in this year's mile. Are you sure, however, that you want to stand by the opinion that she will lose the Galaxy? Come on.
As for Commentator, THAT is a rooting " opinion ". I love Commentator and Nick is a very good friend so I am simply going with my heart. I do feel on his good days that he is as good a horse as there is in the world but I also recognize that he has had more than his share of injuries and they may have taken their toll. I also realize that his performance in the Forego was a very possible indicator that he cannot rate but being that he stumbled very badly at the start of that race I think it's wise to give him one more chance before discarding him. He is an absolute monster on his good day...and he's had more than a few of them. As for Henny Hughes...he's a very good horse and only a fool would deny that. I also think he certainly is one of the major contendors for the BC Sprint at this point. However, winning against a four horse field and then beating a mediocre field in the King's Bishop, where his chief competitor ( Mach Ride ) stumbled horrifically at the break and then was completely shut off at the top of the stretch when attempting to rerally, does not legitimize Henny Hughes just yet to me. I am eager to see the Vosburgh, I have no idea what Commentator's status is, as Nick has been in KY and my only contact with him was to briefly congratulate him on winning the Brooklyn, but I look forward to Henny's race there regardless. No doubt he's a good horse, but, I still need to see more.
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09-21-2006, 12:16 AM
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I dont even think of the Preakness when thinking Bernardini. its Saratoga. He was never asked at all in winning 2 of the most historically significant 3YO races on dirt. this horse is a total freak. he is what I think Mineshaft would have been if allowed to run on dirt as a 3 YO. only difference is that this horse really has more natural speed than Mineshaft did. there are no holes in his game. any pace scenario is fine b/c he will just adapt. hes smarter and faster than his peers. at least the ones he has run against so far. Repent
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