Obama's job approval

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Really there is no hope for change in this country. (See what I did there?)

Judging from the poll results to this thread the majority of us are conditioned to the two-party system. That system has prohibited you from having the choice to marry. How you could be a supporter of it is beyond me. You, out of all people, should abhor it as much as I do.

I'm not a real huge fan of the way things are going right now, just not for the same reasons as some other people are.

I actually am quite fine with admitting that I sit around and talk about how f*cked this country is on a regular basis.

But in all honesty, how do you suggest we break free of a two-party system? How does that look? How does that happen?

And it's a cop-out based on the way the current system works, but given that I think we're f*cked right now, I can only imagine how bad a spell we'd be in if the election had gone the other way. Biden is an idiot. Palin is a menace.

And so yea, I'm unfortunately happy to take the lesser of the two evils...given the choices, I'm a huge Obama fan. But I'd admittedly be perfectly comfortable with someone even more to his left, so I'm especially out in the cold as a ZOMG SOCIALIST.

And yea, to finally be at the point in my life where DOMA *actually* hurts me and isn't just some hypothetical "wow having marriage be legal would be great" situation. I'm especially fed up right now, because while I have the money to get partner benefits for someone right now, I unfortunately don't have the money to pay the extra taxes on the premiums my company pays for him because it's considered taxable income for me. An extra $75/mo premium costs nearly three times that when you figure out the extra taxes....so instead, he sits around with splitting migraine headaches, an achy body, and we can't afford to have him see someone.

So yea, I'm pissed off too.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

But in all honesty, how do you suggest we break free of a two-party system? How does that look? How does that happen?

Do the socialist thing and split the campaign money equally amongst all parties. Even if there are 500 parties/candidates. Whoever is the most creative and gets their message across should win.

This would require a few of them to actually be honest with the people to get elected. Sure, a few pri.cks will slip through the cracks (pun intended) but for the most part the best candidate would win.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And so yea, I'm unfortunately happy to take the lesser of the two evils...given the choices, I'm a huge Obama fan. But I'd admittedly be perfectly comfortable with someone even more to his left, so I'm especially out in the cold as a ZOMG SOCIALIST.

And that's where they've got us. Since we, for the most part, believe that it's one or the other we have settled. When you settle you get the mess that we're in. For example...

"Bush sucks and his dad sucked, but that f.ucking Al Gore is an egotistical doorknob and his wife wants to take my rap music and N64 away. F.uck that."

[pointman]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well this Jeffrey H. Anderson guy sure seems like a decent, honest, fair-minded son of a gun.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jeffrey+h.+anderson

Fail #2.

I am sorry you don't like the author. It doesn't change the fact that Obama's plan is a disaster that will cost trillions of dollars to cover a small percentage of people. It doesn't change the fact that that he has attempted to mislead the American People to its actual cost and the taxes that we are going to pay for it. It doesn't change the fact that he is hurting us on foreign policy. He took missiles out of Poland that protected our allies to appaise the increasingly threatening Russian's and got nothing in return. He has chilled relations with our ally Isreal. He has shown he is a neophyte and can't even get things done with his party controlling both houses. He made unrealistic promises he could not keep in his campaign. I could go on and on. These are not signs of good leadership.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am sorry you don't like the author.

I'm sure he's a real nice guy. My personal feelings toward him have nothing to do with anything.

Originally Posted by pointman

It doesn't change the fact that he is hurting us on foreign policy..

Weird, I was under the impression that running around the world like an idiot starting an unnecessary war did that...you say tomato....

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am sorry you don't like the author. It doesn't change the fact that Obama's plan is a disaster that will cost trillions of dollars to cover a small percentage of people. It doesn't change the fact that that he has attempted to mislead the American People to its actual cost and the taxes that we are going to pay for it. It doesn't change the fact that he is hurting us on foreign policy. He took missiles out of Poland that protected our allies to appaise the increasingly threatening Russian's and got nothing in return. He has chilled relations with our ally Isreal. He has shown he is a neophyte and can't even get things done with his party controlling both houses. He made unrealistic promises he could not keep in his campaign. I could go on and on. These are not signs of good leadership.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that Obama's plan is a disaster that will cost trillions of dollars to cover a small percentage of people.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that that he has attempted to mislead the American People to its actual cost and the taxes that we are going to pay for it.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that he is hurting us on foreign policy.

In my odd fantasy world the united states already had missiles in poland and He took missiles out of Poland that protected our allies to appaise the increasingly threatening Russian's and got nothing in return

in my odd fantasy world this is what you posted and i couldn't argue with any of it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that Obama's plan is a disaster that will cost trillions of dollars to cover a small percentage of people.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that that he has attempted to mislead the American People to its actual cost and the taxes that we are going to pay for it.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that he is hurting us on foreign policy.

In my odd fantasy world the united states already had missiles in poland and He took missiles out of Poland that protected our allies to appaise the increasingly threatening Russian's and got nothing in return

in my odd fantasy world this is what you posted and i couldn't argue with any of it.

...in my odd fantasy world..............fits you to a "T"

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

...in my odd fantasy world..............fits you to a "T"

i do like odd. and there's really nothing wrong with fantasy.

it's just the projection of the two into irrefutable "fact" that troubles me.

can't wait for our next exchange.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that Obama's plan is a disaster that will cost trillions of dollars to cover a small percentage of people.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that that he has attempted to mislead the American People to its actual cost and the taxes that we are going to pay for it.

It doesn't change my basically unfounded opinion that he is hurting us on foreign policy.

In my odd fantasy world the united states already had missiles in poland and He took missiles out of Poland that protected our allies to appaise the increasingly threatening Russian's and got nothing in return

in my odd fantasy world this is what you posted and i couldn't argue with any of it.

Where do you live? Fantasyland?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Where do you live? Fantasyland?

ventura county, ca.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Um, no. That's not "blame Bush," although the way you invoke that saying even when nobody is blaming Bush makes me think that you really believe that just saying "Blame Bush" gets you out of anything.

To be more succinct, it's not "Blaming Bush" to blame YOU for not giving a $hit about what the President is doing unless a Democrat is in office.

That's your inconsistency, which we've covered in great detail here in the past, so I need not do it again - but if it serves you well to consider an entirely inaccurate use of "Blame Bush" as your get out of jail free card for not having to be responsible for your own glaring hypocrisy, then by all means, carry on.

Get off your soapbox. I'm not exactlysure what I need to get out of?
The fact is that you want to belittle anything negative said about Obama or his "plan" and are deflecting from the issue with your comments about the last 8 years and our not actively complaining enough to make you happy. That is simply a diversionary tactic that you and others have used quite consistently.

I am not the issue here and do not need a get out of jail free card. Calling me a hypocrite amuses me. Here is a definition:
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Well this doesnt seem to be the case

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings Nor does this.

Maybe I am something else?

Again your post was typical liberal nonsense as was your follow up. Pointman and I and you arent the issue and you know it. Call me all the names you want but that doesnt change the fact that Obama is a mistake.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

I take the fact that you think enough of Republicians that you would expect them to overlook silly issues and horrible policies and act in a bipartisan manner. Sorry we let you down. Unfortunately I dont have that same feelings about the Democrats.

And I wish these were simply petty party issues. If Obama was a great President who did great things then hell I may have been converted. I have no ties or political aspirations tied to the GOP. I have been hyper-critical of the GOP in KY state matters, above and beyond the slots issue. However to quote the great Denny Green,"Obama is who we thought he is"

In other words a typical, phoney, overmatched liberal who is so torn between his own personal leanings and his wanting to be able to be reelected that he has come up with the worst of all worlds. A semi-socialist agenda that has delivered the goods to unions at the expense of the country but has pissed off the rest of the radical left because they havent gotten their sick ideas pushed because Obama knows that in the end that will make him one and done. He isnt even true to the people who brung him there. Dont get me wrong as I would hate to see the whole country become as dysfunctional and divisive as liberal havens CA and NY, but hey at least Bush was loyal to his guys.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No, it's just that all of this smacks of intellectual dishonesty. The problem with Chuck is that it's all "We care about spending money, we're fiscally conservative....unless it's our guy. We care about transparency....unless it's our guy."

We'll see if "our" boy turns out to be a disaster. The guy before has already been spoken for as an overwhelming disaster, at least Obama still has time to salvage the ship.

Me, like I've said all along, I'll continue to wait and see how things turn out and take responsibility for my vote then, and it should be easy, considering the wildly unmitigated obvious disaster you all claim we're heading into. Time will tell.

At least I'm consistent. I make no qualms about how liberal I'd like him to be and what I'd like to see happen. I don't pretend I give a $hit about money and about morals etc, when your guy is President but then stop when my guy's President. It's not my consistency that's up for debate here.

I DIDNT AGREE WITH A LOT OF BUSH'S FISCAL POLICY. I HATE SARBANNES-OXLEY. I AM PISSED THAT BUSH SPENT SO MUCH. I AM PISSED THAT BUSH DIDNT TAKE THE GLOVES OFF THE TROOPS AND GET THAT MESS OVER WITH A WHOLE LOT FASTER AND GIVE THZE IRANIANS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

There is that enough?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Settle down.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Settle down.

I'm pissed I watched the entire Bengals game

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Get off your soapbox. I'm not exactlysure what I need to get out of?
The fact is that you want to belittle anything negative said about Obama or his "plan" and are deflecting from the issue with your comments about the last 8 years and our not actively complaining enough to make you happy. That is simply a diversionary tactic that you and others have used quite consistently.

I am not the issue here and do not need a get out of jail free card. Calling me a hypocrite amuses me. Here is a definition:
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Well this doesnt seem to be the case

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings Nor does this.

Maybe I am something else?

Again your post was typical liberal nonsense as was your follow up. Pointman and I and you arent the issue and you know it. Call me all the names you want but that doesnt change the fact that Obama is a mistake.

So disingenuous.

But, to be fair, also totally expected.

Well played.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by pointman

I certainly won't. Nice try

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...cJA9hKmHRPxJ8H

I wasn't insured for 6 months until this week between the time I quit my job to move and when I got married because I have a preexisting condition which private insurance deems to be too expensive to cover (I'm diabetic, like at least 8% of the population), how do we go about rectifying situations such as that? What if I wasn't able to pay out of pocket for this like most people that would have been in my situation? Is it a GFY or should we have some sort of plan to protect our population from getting buried prematurely?

I don't normally get enthralled with public programs, such as Social Security, which I have paid a quarter million dollars into already in my career only to see $0 in the future, but this is something that needs to be done on the correct scale.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pointman

You really are a true democrat, don't let facts get in your way. First, why can't we consider the cost of what Obama is proposing? Here are some facts, 90% of Americans have health insurance. Of the 10% that do not have health insurance, 5% of those can afford to have health insurance and choose not to. That leaves 5% of Americans uninsured and our great President wants to spend over a trillion dollars with his proposal to insure those people. By the way, a large part of that 5% that are uninsured are young healthy individuals who are not in the workforce long enough to get healthcare. The point is that his proposals are unrealistic, too expensive and will be costly, and the costs will be passed onto the taxpayers.

What happened to Obama's transparency? He stated that he would release his proposals on his website for all to see, yet now he tries to shove it through Congress for no one to see, then tries to place much of the cost under other bills to claim that it costs less than it really does, and vastly underestimates the actual costs of his bill. He obviously thinks that people are stupid, but Americans are waking up in droves and a majority are now against his proposals.

The notion that people with life threatening conditions don't get healthcare is a fallacy. Emergency rooms cannot turn down treatment to people with life threatening conditions. Most public areas have a State or county run hospital which provides free services to those who are uninsured.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need reform, but many of us are against socializing medicine and don't believe the costs justify do so. Socializing healthcare will cost Americans one way or another in either increased premiums or increased taxes, and those taxes will fall on the middle class that Obama promised not to tax. Many of us do not believe that taxing and spending in this economy is a good move, but that is what the democrats want to do. Herbert Hoover tried this solution and look where it got this country.


As has already been pointed out, the States or local municipal governments, through our taxes, which we are already paying and are fine with, provide education, police, firefighters and even free medical care!

Oh yeah, those greedy insurance companies. Just another democratic lie. The actual facts are that they average approximately 2%, well below other industries. And those profits did not balloon during the Bush years as Obama/Pelosi would have you believe. Here is a link to the true facts:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess we should socialize that greedy railroad industry, after all they are making a 12.6% profit a year! How about network and communications, those greedy bastards are making a 20.4% profit!

Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.

this is a great post

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Well..it's true

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..it's true

Nice website!