Which horses were truly great?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

If all you are looking for are animals who had good records over a couple years, how can you leave off Black Ruby?

Talk about brilliantly fast.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Talk about brilliantly fast.

She was one game mule.

[SniperSB23]

Anyone have thoughts on Sysonby? He might be one that belongs on the list especially if he was truly drugged in his only loss.

[Cajungator26]

Can't see how anyone could exclude Silver Charm.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Can't see how anyone could exclude Silver Charm.

Because the title is "Which horses were truly great?" Not "Which horses were truly grey?"

By the way, going to the back booth in orlando tonite if you want to go out!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That also means he lost 50 out of 100. I have tough time putting a horse in the upper tier that only won half his starts. Grey Lag was really only great for one year which hurts his case.

if he was 5 of 10, i could see your point. just remember that no one holds citations losses against him, not with that win streak, and weight carried.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if he was 5 of 10, i could see your point. just remember that no one holds citations losses against him, not with that win streak, and weight carried.

In those 50 wins Exterminator never had a streak longer than 6, and in that streak he only carried more than 126 once.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

In those 50 wins Exterminator never had a streak longer than 6, and in that streak he only carried more than 126 once.

when i said win streak, it was in reference to citation.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when i said win streak, it was in reference to citation.

I know, I just think if Exterminator truly belonged in that elite class he would have won more than 6 in a row.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I know, I just think if Exterminator truly belonged in that elite class he would have won more than 6 in a row.

why? you include nashua, he never won more than 6 in a row.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why? you include nashua, he never won more than 6 in a row.

But Nashua won more than 2/3 of his races. Had Exterminator had a nice run in his 50 wins and then racked up a bunch of losses late in his career then he'd have a better excuse for his 50 losses. But he didn't.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They won 60% and 62% respectively. Skip Away didn't even win half of his races.

Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

Ghostzapper was the best horse of this decade so far - because he was so lightly raced it might not be as easy to call him great but he was. I don't think you could call a horse great as lightly raced as he was had he run in a different era.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

But Nashua won more than 2/3 of his races. Had Exterminator had a nice run in his 50 wins and then racked up a bunch of losses late in his career then he'd have a better excuse for his 50 losses. But he didn't.

but he won 50 races. most horses don't even start in 50 races. most horses today don't have 50 starts between themselves, their sire and their dam.

anyway, i think exterminator was a heck of a horse.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

Ghostzapper was the best horse of this decade so far - because he was so lightly raced it might not be as easy to call him great but he was. I don't think you could call a horse great as lightly raced as he was had he run in a different era.

ghostzapper was a brilliant horse. incredibly fast-i appreciate his talent far more now than i did when he ran, which sadly was far too infrequent for my taste.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but he won 50 races. most horses don't even start in 50 races. most horses today don't have 50 starts between themselves, their sire and their dam.

anyway, i think exterminator was a heck of a horse.

There is no doubt of that, just like Scottie Pippen was a heck of a basketball player. But neither are at that elite level.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

I don't think Skip Away measures up to three Hall of Fame horses from that decade: Cigar, Holy Bull or A.P Indy. For that matter, from the year he was selected HOY, I'm not sure that he was better than Formal Gold, who smoked him in the Woodward.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't think Skip Away measures up to three Hall of Fame horses from that decade: Cigar, Holy Bull or A.P Indy. For that matter, from the year he was selected HOY, I'm not sure that he was better than Formal Gold, who smoked him in the Woodward.

Formal Gold was a monster!

[sdjcom]

listing horses who ran 130 yrs. ago, with no automated timing and organize
betting coups how can you verify authenticity, of anything except what was written by a few writers of the day. should start list around 1920.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about Go For Wand and or/ Bayakoa (sp??)

Not to mention Shuvee and Susan's Girl.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

These are all nice horses being mentioned that no one is going to have a problem with calling great. I just don't think any of them fit in that top tier with the horses I've mentioned. You could pretty much just list anyone that is in the Hall of Fame if you want to include every horse that can pass for great but what fun is that.

I will still make an argument for Equipoise. Horsemen of the 30s insisted he was the best since Man o' War.