INVASOR: Injury ends career

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

As I write this there have been 79 replies to the thread about Invasor being retired, and 124 replies to the thread about Scat Daddy being retired.
Does that seem a bit backwards to anybody else?

Joel "The Prophet" Cunningham didn't give out Invasor at 3/5 in his debut, so who cares about Invasor?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

couldn't disagree more.
Invasors departure leaves a huge hole this year in my mind. he wasn't only at the top of the division, he was a horse with rare qualities.
the campaign for this years breeders cup classic seems much less exciting to me now. the possibility of Invasor running the table two years in a row and repeating in the BCC classic was huge for me and I suspect many others. I was also really looking forward to seeing how this years crop of top three year olds would fare against the big guy this fall.

True, Invasor may have only missed three races due to injury, but for me they were very important and exciting races. By the way, I wouldn't call the races he had on his agenda exactly insignificant. I wanted to see him step up a bit more in the historical sense and a repeat in the BCC would have put him in rare company.
BTW, the Dubai World Cup is not some novelty day of excitement. from a quality standpoint this past DWC was on par with any breeders cup offering. the racing year doesn't warm up at the same time world-wide, there are more than one racing seasons.

Well my point more or less was that the hole was already there. It is late June and Invasor has not run in this country since the Donn. His win in Dubai, however heroic, was more or less moot as far as this season goes. He beat a ex-patriate in Premium Tap (who prior to his big Clark win was basically a rogue upstart anyways) and a still unproven, hyped talent in Discreet Cat, whom they are desperate to never bring out of the barn again. Had he run in the Suburban and Woodward, you could pretty much bank on small, exhibition-like fields that have typically plagued Belmont's fall championship season (eg Mineshaft's or Bernardini's JC Gold Cups) with the advent of alternative, purse-padded, BC "preps" (Hawthorne Gold Cup, Kentucky Cup Classic, etc). Thus, those races, while at least showcasing Invasor, would basically prove nothing other than the horse was sound and in competitive form.

I agree with the Sha Tin guy that basically Invasor was only significant as far as the 2007 season goes as a measuring stick for the more nationally active 3yos.

As far as the DWC goes, I don't particularly hold the BC Classic in high regard either, as it often proves to be anti-climactic. At least Dubai tends to have intriguing match ups, though mostly with the addition of turf horses who may or may not take to the dirt. But all the same it is untimely in that none of the horses have sorted themselves out for the current year and are basically invited based on accomplishments in the preceding season, not on current form. In that regard, it would be better to run the race in December, where participants could have adequate rest for the upcoming year or retire prior to the breeding season.

I don't really recall a DWC that was much of a revelation for the unfolding season aside from the '98 version, when Silver Charm held off Swain's repeated challenges. But any tip of Swain's hand as far as his main track prowess goes was ultimately rendered pointless by Frankie Dettori's violent, unprofessional, and egomaniacal ride in the BC.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by miraja2

As I write this there have been 79 replies to the thread about Invasor being retired, and 124 replies to the thread about Scat Daddy being retired.
Does that seem a bit backwards to anybody else?

Give yourself some credit, you started the thread.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by miraja2

As I write this there have been 79 replies to the thread about Invasor being retired, and 124 replies to the thread about Scat Daddy being retired.
Does that seem a bit backwards to anybody else?

That's probably because there's more of a debate about how good Scat Daddy was.. there's no debate about the quality of Invasor.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Bogey

Give yourself some credit, you started the thread.

True, but I debated whether just to stick it in the general ongoing "Retirements" thread or to give him his own. I wasn't sure he deserved an entire thread about his retirement. I thought it would be about 5 people saying "Who cares?" and Cajun saying "That sucks!!!!"

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by miraja2

True, but I debated whether just to stick it in the general ongoing "Retirements" thread or to give him his own. I wasn't sure he deserved an entire thread about his retirement. I thought it would be about 5 people saying "Who cares?" and Cajun saying "That sucks!!!!"

Are you insinuating that I'm the only one who gives a rip about Scat Daddy on this board?

Kinda funny that you brought this up in the Invasor thread... it's now littered with Scat Daddy posts. LOL

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Kinda funny that you brought this up in the Invasor thread... it's now littered with Scat Daddy posts. LOL

Good point. Scat Daddy discussions have been like a virus around here. Let's get back to the champ.
I hope Invasor has a really good stud career. His pedigree lacks so many of the familiar names in American racing (No Mr. P!) that he could do some good things for the breed here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Are you insinuating that I'm the only one who gives a rip about Scat Daddy on this board?

Kinda funny that you brought this up in the Invasor thread... it's now littered with Scat Daddy posts. LOL

good one!

[Bobby Fischer]

Is St. Michele still producing ?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/st+michele

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Is St. Michele still producing ?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/st+michele

I think there's a better site to check for recent offspring, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. Threw a nice one with Teuflesberg, though...

[Bobby Fischer]

yea sure did ^

I could see Invasor mixed with som Tom Fool influence as well