Update on Calder spill Monday - Page 4

Fanofthejuiceguys · #61 12-13-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Irrefutable in YOUR eyes. Do you have the vet records on this horse? Talk to White? Talk to Bridgmohan? If you have then its irrefutable. If you have not then its just a theory.

Well, we all know that your theory is that horse simply collapsed and died from a LUNG INFECTION, so.....

Besides, the video doesn't lie.

#62 12-13-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fanofthejuiceguys

You are living in a fantasy world. You haven't even watched the replay yet you choose to espouse expertise. No one wishes ill on the kid, nor his anyone condemming him as a person. He did however make a major error in professional judgement. Some may view this as a rookie mistake, I view it as an irresponsible lapse in judgement. His overzealousness took two other riders down with him and led to the death of his mount. How is pointing that obvious fact out wrong in your eyes. For someone who supposedly has a background working with racehorses and around the racetrack you are curiously in denial of the irrefutable facts.

No.. I live in the real world where dispite our best efforts... **** HAPPENS! Have you ever had a horse break down on you?? I have... both with issues and without!! This was not the kids fault.... and to lay the fact that the horse broke both front legs on him is just not right.

Fanofthejuiceguys · #63 12-13-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

No.. I live in the real world where dispite our best efforts... **** HAPPENS! Have you ever had a horse break down on you?? I have... both with issues and without!! This was not the kids fault.... and to lay the fact that the horse broke both front legs on him is just not right.

But it is true, and until you actually watch the race, and get someone who actually knows what they are looking at to watch it with you, try and limit your emotion laced defense of this incident to the facts.

The Bid · #64 12-13-2006, 06:24 PM

Juice,

Ive watched the race 200 times, its not the kids fault. Very rarely is it the jocks fault when a horse goes down unless they run up heels. This isnt one of those instances. The kid just rode the horse like any even money.

Im just glad hes okay, as Im sure we all are

Fanofthejuiceguys · #65 12-13-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Juice,

Ive watched the race 200 times, its not the kids fault. Very rarely is it the jocks fault when a horse goes down unless they run up heels. This isnt one of those instances. The kid just rode the horse like any even money.

You better watch it again then.

The Bid · #66 12-13-2006, 06:26 PM

201 times now, still the same thought.

We just dont agree, no big deal.

paisjpq · #67 12-13-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Just thought this post, a few pages ago might help here.

why would you think there is any point in being reasonable...when the opportunity to be RIGHT is out there on the table?

#68 12-13-2006, 06:45 PM

Quotes from Tony Black

"It's nice that you can figure out why the horse broke down AFTER the race... could you let me know before the race"?

"no one can predict what will happen in a race unless they have a crystal ball and to this point no one has handed me one"

"don't blame the jock... blame it on the system that let the horse run in the first place"

"everyone needs someone to blame... the easiest one is the jock"

"I've ridden 20,000 horses and I've still have had one break his leg... so much for experience"!

"it's a split second decision, I can't say I would have done anything different"

Fanofthejuiceguys · #69 12-13-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

Quotes from Tony Black

"It's nice that you can figure out why the horse broke down AFTER the race... could you let me know before the race"?

"no one can predict what will happen in a race unless they have a crystal ball and to this point no one has handed me one"

"don't blame the jock... blame it on the system that let the horse run in the first place"

"everyone needs someone to blame... the easiest one is the jock"

"I've ridden 20,000 horses and I've still have had one break his leg... so much for experience"!

"it's a split second decision, I can't say I would have done anything different"

So what?

Why do you get some Jesse Jackson quotes too?

Better yet, why don't you actually WATCH the race? I know, because that would negate your already shallow argument completely.

blackthroatedwind · #70 12-13-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

Quotes from Tony Black

"It's nice that you can figure out why the horse broke down AFTER the race... could you let me know before the race"?

"no one can predict what will happen in a race unless they have a crystal ball and to this point no one has handed me one"

"don't blame the jock... blame it on the system that let the horse run in the first place"

"everyone needs someone to blame... the easiest one is the jock"

"I've ridden 20,000 horses and I've still have had one break his leg... so much for experience"!

"it's a split second decision, I can't say I would have done anything different"

Ask Tony Black for the five dimes he cost me at Saratoga in the summer of 2005 when he was 100% responsible for getting beaten a pimple by a Karakorum horse that I now have to see beat me again and again and again and again...and then some....in their ad.

#71 12-13-2006, 06:51 PM

You told me to talk to someone who knew more than me!!

Don't even put Tony Black and Jesse Jackson in the same breath!!

I did watch the race.... guess you have those special glasses!

#72 12-13-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ask Tony Black for the five dimes he cost me at Saratoga in the summer of 2005 when he was 100% responsible for getting beaten a pimple by a Karakorum horse that I now have to see beat me again and again and again and again...and then some....in their ad.

quit whinning... it doesn't become you... lol

blackthroatedwind · #73 12-13-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

quit whinning... it doesn't become you... lol

I didn't whine....I threw a chair.

Have you ever seen that race?

SCUDSBROTHER · #74 12-13-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Which piece of garbage do you refer to?
The grade one winner whos insured for for 2.5 mill whose earned over 400 K since they bought her for far less?

Oracle,good to see that Touchdown Kid win a few weeks back.I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HE PAID $50,but I haven't been keeping track of him.Hopefully he does some more good things.

The Bid · #75 12-13-2006, 07:19 PM

I think they should all be ridden to the fullest anytime the gate opens. He was giving the public the ride they deserved.

My arguement is its not the kids fault the horse brokedown

uscrules · #76 12-14-2006, 08:06 AM

Oracle,good to see that Touchdown Kid win a few weeks back.I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HE PAID $50,but I haven't been keeping track of him.Hopefully he does some more good things.

love the name! what circuit does he race on? never heard this one. does oracle own or owned him?

#77 12-14-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by uscrules

Oracle,good to see that Touchdown Kid win a few weeks back.I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HE PAID $50,but I haven't been keeping track of him.Hopefully he does some more good things.

love the name! what circuit does he race on? never heard this one. does oracle own or owned him?

Just a horse we loved last year.
Went off form but came back and ran a big one the day after the Breeders Cup and paid 50 bucks to win.
Ny-bred that started with Paula Capestro out in California.

uscrules · #78 12-14-2006, 08:15 AM

just reading kasepts ny selections for today and saw touchdown kid in the 8th race. is this the same horse you write about? did you bet him the day he paid 50 dollars to win?

#79 12-14-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by uscrules

just reading kasepts ny selections for today and saw touchdown kid in the 8th race. is this the same horse you write about? did you bet him the day he paid 50 dollars to win?

I used him in gimmicks but keyed a horse with him whobattled for the lead and then stopped. I was pretty mad at myself for how I played the race and fully deserved to lose. I used a horse of dutrow's named Cobra (King?) with him in gimmicks.
I had stopped at Buffalo Raceway on the drive home from the BC to catch the last few at Ny and CD. It took Cannon Shell to bail me out with Sabellina. Thing that was funny about that was that she won a photo I was sure she had lost. I wasted a pretty good tantrum complete with cursing and swearing about getting beat the last jump and why oh why did didn't I just keep driving instead of stopping to play the last few races. They put up her number and I actually had to pick my tickets up off the ground because I had thrown them there. I dunno how in the world she won that race, you could watch the replay 10 times and swear she got beat.

#80 12-14-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

sam doesn't like jocks who don't speak english (or jesse jackson

) and btw is telling us about ANOTHER 5 dimes he lost...poor little horsie...why should an even money horse be pushed harder than an 85-1 mr. bid?

Hahahahaha! Quick story... In the paddock I gave a jock instructions.. he nodded the whole time as if in agreement. After the race I asked him how the horse felt underneath him. He looked at me totaly confused.. the valet went and translated! He never understood me in the first place!!! It's not that I dislike non english speaking jocks .... I just think more of jocks who take the time to learn so they do understand what they are asked to do. This is the US.... Jesse Jackson... NO COMENT!!