Is This Finally The End Of Giacomo Goo-Gooism?

[Slewstoo]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was extremely impressed by his Traver's, thought it was the best race he ever ran.

It was a courageous performance considering the layoff and the competition he faced. Roman Ruler's stock was never higher at that time, and of course you had Flower Alley coming off a big peformance too.

Then you oughta know that splints arent like fractures and arent always noticed right away. I adored that horse. His Travers was the most inccredible display or raw talent and guts I ever saw. Noone I ever saw would have run a race like that off 4 slow breezes and 30 days training, noone. The fact that he actually took after FA after the wire and caught him tells me everything I need to know about what kind of guts this horse had. That and the fact that any other horse I ever saw who was hooked by a sharp fit horse like FA was who had only 4 slow breezes would have stopped to a walk. he actually came back at him after he was passed and kept going to the wire and after it. He was as game as any horse I ever saw in my life that day.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by oracle80

His Travers was the most inccredible display or raw talent and guts I ever saw. Noone I ever saw would have run a race like that off 4 slow breezes and 30 days training, noone. .

Then I take you weren't at Saratoga when Repent ran the same sort of race under the same sort of conditions against a demonstrably better horse (Medaglia d'Oro).

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Then I take you weren't at Saratoga when Repent ran the same sort of race under the same sort of conditions against a demonstrably better horse (Medaglia d'Oro).

Yeah Ann I was there, but there was one huge difference, That race was run in sloppy conditions that one horse loved and one didn't. In addition, the winner was coming off a HUGE number in the Jim Dandy and had bounce written all over him. Frankel himself actually spoke about that one morning on the backside when a few of us were there. Even though his Dandy win was "easy" he ran a number that was just too fast on the sheets.
The sloppy track was a real equalizer and we both know that many short horses stretch out farther in the slop. You are in sad shape if you think you are gonna find one detail of one race run up here in the last 20 years that i won't know.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Then I take you weren't at Saratoga when Repent ran the same sort of race under the same sort of conditions against a demonstrably better horse (Medaglia d'Oro).

In addition the track favored outside closers STRONGLY that day and the pace was ridiculousy fast. I recall the final time to have been sundial like and the last 4f in absolutely glacial fractions. That race earned nowhere near the figure that last year's Travers got on the sheets but I don't wana confuse you with historical facts like track bias and fractions and circumstances.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Then you oughta know that splints arent like fractures and arent always noticed right away. I adored that horse. His Travers was the most inccredible display or raw talent and guts I ever saw. Noone I ever saw would have run a race like that off 4 slow breezes and 30 days training, noone. The fact that he actually took after FA after the wire and caught him tells me everything I need to know about what kind of guts this horse had. That and the fact that any other horse I ever saw who was hooked by a sharp fit horse like FA was who had only 4 slow breezes would have stopped to a walk. he actually came back at him after he was passed and kept going to the wire and after it. He was as game as any horse I ever saw in my life that day.

Well in one post you tell someone to hit themselves with a hammer and go for a run and see how they feel and than you bring up the fact that splints are not noticed right away, which if his wasn't (and Zito did term it "invisible") than how much could you really say it affected him in the Derby? If it was SO bad, like hitting yourself with a hammer, I'd think it wouldn't be invisible now would it? Also, there is a debate on whether or not horses feel pain while running which is why they will continue to run while breaking down ( ) because of the adrenaline. So in the end no one can really say for certain what got him but, only that unfortunately he did.

Also, for anyone who has been waiting for his return, unfortuantely he hasn't had a published work in over a month.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Well in one post you tell someone to hit themselves with a hammer and go for a run and see how they feel and than you bring up the fact that splints are not noticed right away, which if his wasn't (and Zito did term it "invisible") than how much could you really say it affected him in the Derby? If it was SO bad, like hitting yourself with a hammer, I'd think it wouldn't be invisible now would it? Also, there is a debate on whether or not horses feel pain while running which is why they will continue to run while breaking down ( ) because of the adrenaline. So in the end no one can really say for certain what got him but, only that unfortunately he did.

Also, for anyone who has been waiting for his return, unfortuantely he hasn't had a published work in over a month.

Sadly I don't think there will be a return.
I guess I'm gonna have to always remember him by that last race, the Travers, when he was trying so hard and battling with guts and raw talent even though he was up against it with his lack of works for the race. He proved his mettle that day, moreso in that loss than any victory he ever had.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Sadly I don't think there will be a return.
I guess I'm gonna have to always remember him by that last race, the Travers, when he was trying so hard and battling with guts and raw talent even though he was up against it with his lack of works for the race. He proved his mettle that day, moreso in that loss than any victory he ever had.

I certainly agree with that and I will do cartwheels if somehow they can get that enormous mound of handsomeness back on the track. At least they have been trying; DRF did an article on how they were swimming him daily and doing other things to get him fit before he posted those few works.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I am. .

He is a threat in any 2 turn race that has a 46"0 and 1:10 etc.If you don't believe that,all I can say is he already has won a grade 1 like that.You're saying he can't do it against older.I disagree.He can win a grade 1 against older(if it goes his way.)I don't believe(like you do)that he is class-limited.He is pace limited.We simply disagree on this.Now go btch about some other horse you think can't do something.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Then I take you weren't at Saratoga when Repent ran the same sort of race under the same sort of conditions against a demonstrably better horse (Medaglia d'Oro).

More sewer backup from the copy/paster who always mistakes quantity for quality.

Not much chance we'll ever get a cogent thought from this sausage machine ... is there?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He is a threat in any 2 turn race that has a 46"0 and 1:10 etc.If you don't believe that,all I can say is he already has won a grade 1 like that.You're saying he can't do it against older.I disagree.He can win a grade 1 against older(if it goes his way.)I don't believe(like you do)that he is class-limited.He is pace limited.We simply disagree on this.Now go btch about some other horse you think can't do something.

But ... I agree wholeheartedly ...

... Giacomo will definitely win another G1 race ... the next time every other horse in the race collapses from exhaustion before the finish line.

Maybe he should revert back to the days of Eclipse ... and try four-mile heat races ... maybe by the third heat ... if it's a really hot, muggy day ... everyone else will throw in the towel.

Sort of like Joey Maxim "defeating" Sugar Ray Robinson on a 110° night.

Now ... if we could only get someone to put up about a million bucks for some 32f heat races ...