Churchill 5th.. 12yo mare off 9 year layoff?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by doll0608

Many people were talking about it before the paddock. The racing officals sent a person over to the "trainer" to ask her how long this horse had been in training.....her reply 30 days!! (and fromt he person that was sent to do this said the horse was not in any type of racing shape) Obviously someone dropped the ball on this because all the investigation should have taken place before the day of the race. I really do have to commend the action that many people in the racing industry took to bring the problem to light. I know for a fact that there were calls made to the racing officals from trainers, and vets. Of course by that time it sent the officals scrambling to find answers.

horse was away from racing nine years, had three works, and they allowed the entry. talk about dropping the ball. and this gal passed the trainers test?? how about a basic i.q. test?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

What do papers have to do with racing? Is it like a car title? Is everyone required to show it every time an entry fee is taken? I want to know.

The papers are kept at the racing office. A horse can't run unless the papers are in the racing office. If the racing office does not have possesion of the papers, they won't let your horse run.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The papers are kept at the racing office. A horse can't run unless the papers are in the racing office. If the racing office does not have possesion of the papers, they won't let your horse run.

Actually Churchill no longer requires the foal papers be on file in the race office anymore. New policy started this meet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

horse was away from racing nine years, had three works, and they allowed the entry. talk about dropping the ball. and this gal passed the trainers test?? how about a basic i.q. test?

The racing office should have questioned the entry before the race as drawn. But this was such an unusual scenario that i can see how it was not questioned especially since they had the three works posted. I dont think that TC has official clockers, turn your own works in.

[Mike]

Grand Forks :50.80 B (36 of 49)

Just a slow breeze, well within herself

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

Grand Forks :50.80 B (36 of 49)

Just a slow breeze, well within himself

i think churchill should just rule that trainer off the grounds. this is a farce.

[Mike]

Who doesn't remember cashing in on good ole' Grand Forks back in the day at Turf Paradise

Went off at 6-5 in the Sun Devil 25k stakes; then 4-5 in the Arizona Oaks. Wired both fields dominantly. Horses like this deserve one last shot as a bottom level claimer at historic Churchill Downs

[kgar311]

Here's the words of Chief State Vet Bryce Peckham:

Peckham also inspected Grand Forks before and after the workout.

"What I saw when I examined this horse just now and watched her jog down the lane, I wouldn't scratch her," he said. "She looked fine. She looked good out on the track."

Im pulling for the horse to get back to the track

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs...side/blog.html

[Mike]

The girl has an equine management degree. She's not an idiot on horses. This horse has not wanted for anything, had not taken a backseat for anything… This horse has been taken care of like a Derby horse from the day she got the horse


Too bad the Churchill meet ends too soon for ole' Grand Forks


I'd imagine the connections will head to the Gulfstream meet, with one eye on Dubai in March

[johnny pinwheel]

yes, but the chief steward (veitch) said it was a mistake the horse was allowed to enter. now hes just praying for the meet to end. this lady and horse are a hot potatoe. the track that lets her start that horse will take alot of heat if something goes bad. now the spotlight is on...at first i did not believe it..now the "story" has legs. you have to wonder what this woman is thinking and even question her stability. it kind sounds like shes sneaking around through this whole deal. the story of her getting this horse is shady, it definetly was not handed to her for racing purposes.

[Mike]

I think that entry in the Breeder's Cup a half-dozen years ago (can't remember the winless(?) horse's name) was far worse than this for the "respectability" of the business

Horses are breakind down on tracks all the time, and eauthanized.

I imagine the old mare will simply be outrun, just as I would if I raced a 20 year old track star. But I wouldn't die as a result

As long as the horse isn't souped up in some mannner(though even that seems acceptable in horse racing), is there a reason to think the horse is going to die?

[Mike]

Grand Forks had a rough trip in her only grass attempt, and she seems potentially better on that surface.

She might even take well to Dubai's new synthetic surface

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Mike

I think that entry in the Breeder's Cup a half-dozen years ago (can't remember the winless(?) horse's name) was far worse than this for the "respectability" of the business

Horses are breakind down on tracks all the time, and eauthanized.

I imagine the old mare will simply be outrun, just as I would if I raced a 20 year old track star. But I wouldn't die as a result

As long as the horse isn't souped up in some mannner(though even that seems acceptable in horse racing), is there a reason to think the horse is going to die?

i don't know my friend tried that, hes 52, raced someone across a parking lot fell and dislocated his shoulder. it was an ugly way to end the summer. if this horse got hurt it would be a martyr for peta. people would sink their teeth in and ask why the horse raced. the horse WAS a good racehorse is it really worth it? we have these other horses that run 9 races and call it a career. the horse can do something else besides racing, thats what it was given to her for.

[letswastemoney]

I'm a bit impressed that a pasture puff like her can even breeze in a half mile in 50 still.

But she will still finish last by 40 lengths most likely.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I'm a bit impressed that a pasture puff like her can even breeze in a half mile in 50 still.

But she will still finish last by 40 lengths most likely.

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She'll get out of the gate last and she'll trail throughout theres no doubt about it. Let the horse run around the track, lose by a ton then they'll have a reason to not allow the horse to race again. Otherwise shes done everything she needed to do legally to race the horse, morally thats another question.
I think some people on here are under the delusion that shes gonna be mixing it up between horses in a 21 and change quarter. If she beats a horse or two then good for her.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Mike

I think that entry in the Breeder's Cup a half-dozen years ago (can't remember the winless(?) horse's name) was far worse than this for the "respectability" of the business

Rick's Natural Star

[Mike]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

Rick's Natural Star

Thank you. It was that race that put the game on par with current Professional Boxing

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually Churchill no longer requires the foal papers be on file in the race office anymore. New policy started this meet.

What do they use to compare lip tattoo to markings, how do they verify the right horse is in the paddock?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

Rick's Natural Star

You really have to wonder about people who not only send horses like this out, but those that are willing to get on them.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Mike

Grand Forks :50.80 B (36 of 49)

Just a slow breeze, well within herself

WhaT i Am being told from a friend that was there that morning GF dropped the Rider before the Breeze.