Curlin retired?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Actually his last three races have been pretty ordinary, the Foster wasn't anything special either.

I hope for his handlers' sake he's fine but I have been very underwhelmed lately.

You bring up something very interesting, when the discussion of great horses comes up or more particular "Cigar". I never believed he got enough credit for staying at that high level for that amount of time as he did. Though it is a fair arguement his competition was not the strongest during his streak, his numbers were very consistent, was he as fast as Ghostzapper? No. But in fairness to Cigar had Ghostzapper ran the exact same campaign as Cigar did, I doubt he would have been as brilliant as Cigar was. It's an Apples and oranges argument.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

You bring up something very interesting, when the discussion of great horses comes up or more particular "Cigar". I never believed he got enough credit for staying at that high level for that amount of time as he did. Though it is a fair arguement his competition was not the strongest during his streak, his numbers were very consistent, was he as fast as Ghostzapper? No. But in fairness to Cigar had Ghostzapper ran the exact same campaign as Cigar did, I doubt he would have been as brilliant as Cigar was. It's an Apples and oranges argument.

Cigar was also much faster than Curlin on a regular basis...

The Classic and the Dubai World Cup were extremely impressive to me, otherwise he's been merely very good and very consistent.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

You sure about the bolded part?

He can't be, because it wasn't true when he ran.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

Cigar was also much faster than Curlin on a regular basis...

The Classic and the Dubai World Cup were extremely impressive to me, otherwise he's been merely very good and very consistent.

Couldn't it be that he runs best when the most money is on the line? Obviously the horse doesn't know this, but the trainer certainly does.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Couldn't it be that he runs best when the most money is on the line? Obviously the horse doesn't know this, but the trainer certainly does.

Certainly.

I also think Curlin is an extremely intelligent horse, who knows how much needs to be done, kind of like Cigar was. He takes instruction from the rider extremely well...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

Certainly.

I also think Curlin is an extremely intelligent horse, who knows how much needs to be done, kind of like Cigar was. He takes instruction from the rider extremely well...

In Bailey's book, he mentioned Cigar was a very intelligent animal. I think Bailey put the brakes on him many a time, and that may have contributed to his longevity. Cigar was a beautifully well built horse, certainly not a fragile one. That helps also. Which begs the question who knows how fast he could have run if he they were not looking at the big picture.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your insinuation was misguided and despite providing links and quotes to back an extremely plausible theory, you continued to assume that the only reason that I was saying anything was because of my connection with the horse. You actually were the one who rushed to AJ's defense when I pointed out that perhaps physical issues were more to blame for the horses poor race than the distance or two trns and he replied as if I was making something up.

My first thought watching from Del Mar was something wasnt right with DP. Then, when I watched the replay again and see Garcia look down at his right hind three times in the stretch it certainly makes you wonder if something wasn't right.

At least that's the view from this non-insider.

[Indian Charlie]

Like I predicted before this race, I think Ass has been juicing his horses with a lot less frequency lately. It's been awhile since any of his horses ran like they were possessed by demons, and that Curlin will probably look pretty mortal.

In my opinion, he's a very nice horse that was running juiced out of his mind for most of the last year to year and a half.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Like I predicted before this race, I think Ass has been juicing his horses with a lot less frequency lately. It's been awhile since any of his horses ran like they were possessed by demons, and that Curlin will probably look pretty mortal.

In my opinion, he's a very nice horse that was running juiced out of his mind for most of the last year to year and a half.

haven't you heard from maggi moss? steve asmussen would never use anything illegal, he's not stupid!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Certainly.

I also think Curlin is an extremely intelligent horse, who knows how much needs to be done, kind of like Cigar was. He takes instruction from the rider extremely well...

There are just so many ways to go with this....

[Indian Charlie]

Yeah, didn't you see Curlin pull out the slide rule at the quarter pole to figure out what velocity he needed to run in the last 1/8th to just win without being impressive?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, didn't you see Curlin pull out the slide rule at the quarter pole to figure out what velocity he needed to run in the last 1/8th to just win without being impressive?

I was going to say there is a good chance he has more intellegence than the rider...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, didn't you see Curlin pull out the slide rule at the quarter pole to figure out what velocity he needed to run in the last 1/8th to just win without being impressive?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are just so many ways to go with this....

LOL... play nice!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was going to say there is a good chance he has more intellegence than the rider...

Well, that goes without saying.

I'd say what comes out of the rear of the horse is about the same as what runs through a jocks mind.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Well, that goes without saying.

I'd say what comes out of the rear of the horse is about the same as what runs through a jocks mind.

recycled hay??

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

recycled hay??

don't forget the aroma.

[Kasept]

DRF: http://www.drf.com/news/article/97949.html


Press release... LEXINGTON, KY (September 4, 2008) – Stonestreet Farms announced today that the next start for Curlin, 2007 Horse of the Year, will be the Jockey Club Gold Cup on Saturday, September 27, 2008 at Belmont Park in New York City.

“The Jockey Club Gold Cup was selected for Curlin in order to continue his legacy as one of America’s greatest thoroughbreds,” said Jess Jackson, majority owner of Curlin. “We are steering Curlin towards all the renowned competitions and certainly the Jockey Club Gold Cup is one of America’s most prestigious races. In the past, many of America’s top thoroughbreds sealed their honors by competing in this race. Also, this contest is in New York state where Curlin has seen much success and received an outpouring of support. Both factors weighed heavily in favor of our decision to compete again at Belmont.”

The race will be the 90th running of the Jockey Club Gold Cup, which is run on a 1 ¼ mile Grade 1 track and features 3-year-olds and up and a $750,000 purse. Curlin won the 2007 Jockey Club Gold Cup with a time of 2:01.20 and received a Beyer Speed Figure of 114.

[copying]

Originally Posted by Kasept

DRF: http://www.drf.com/news/article/97949.html


Press release... LEXINGTON, KY (September 4, 2008) – Stonestreet Farms announced today that the next start for Curlin, 2007 Horse of the Year, will be the Jockey Club Gold Cup on Saturday, September 27, 2008 at Belmont Park in New York City.

“The Jockey Club Gold Cup was selected for Curlin in order to continue his legacy as one of America’s greatest thoroughbreds,” said Jess Jackson, majority owner of Curlin. “We are steering Curlin towards all the renowned competitions and certainly the Jockey Club Gold Cup is one of America’s most prestigious races. In the past, many of America’s top thoroughbreds sealed their honors by competing in this race. Also, this contest is in New York state where Curlin has seen much success and received an outpouring of support. Both factors weighed heavily in favor of our decision to compete again at Belmont.”

The race will be the 90th running of the Jockey Club Gold Cup, which is run on a 1 ¼ mile Grade 1 track and features 3-year-olds and up and a $750,000 purse. Curlin won the 2007 Jockey Club Gold Cup with a time of 2:01.20 and received a Beyer Speed Figure of 114.

If it sounds like a DUCK and quacks like a DUCK, what is it????????