Invisible Stewards Race 2 Belmont Day

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I will add that it seems unlikely that anybody associated with the track " advised the stewards prior to the race ending that they better look at that incident. "

The race took just over a minute, on the most hectic and crowded day of the year, and even if this wasn't an unlikely event in general, it seems particularly ridiculous that it would have happened Saturday.

Just think about it for a minute.

Think what you want. I certainly understand being a skeptic. There are alot of I know for a fact folks on the board. It is unusual. And I should keep some things to myself which I will work harder to do. So thanks for helping get in check. No one will acknowledge that it happened. But consider the connections. Consider that they are an outfit highly regarded and respected both in the stands and on the back stretch. It isn't that unusual. I used to believe everything I heard on the back side. Even the rumor that "blood was gushing from BB's quarter crack" which apparently wasn't true. But I will stop. I am just outraged by injustice and incompetence. And there was alot of both at Belmont that day. LOL, speak to any of the women who had to hit the john.
I just hope they publicize their investigation and clarification. The public needs to know the sport monitors itself. Especially when they are watching on these big days. I know, I know. Foolish hope.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

HUNG LATE? YOUR SERIOUS! First time out, the horse is cut off, loses 3 to 4 lengths and then comes on in the stretch and loses by a length and change. Forget about hanging late. The horse just showed you, first time out what kind of heart he was. You are right, at 2/5 it is no bet. But to bet against him? Well that is just plain foolish. All due respect.

He ran OK. He had some trouble and was probably best. You obviously have a personal involvement with this horse because of the trainer and your judgement on a lot of matters involving him is severely clouded.

You should watch the race a couple more times. A lot of things went well for him.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't doubt your knowledge, I know it helps you to think it's personal, I think you are jumping to conclusions without anything close to all the facts. You seem to think this is a black and white, or either/or, stuation and I don't.

I never said it is impossible the stewards didn't screw up, but unlike you I am not ready to pin blame on people based on scattered information coming, essentially, from a jockey.

My best guess is the stewards reviewed the incident as the race was going on, decided it was not worthy of further review ( whether any of us agree or disagree with this decision is irrelevent ), and made the race official when they didn't hear from the outriders. I don't know for sure that an outrider was negligent, though perhaps he was, just as I don't know that the stewards were negligent, though perhaps they were. I just don't know. You seem to. How exactly I'm not sure.

What I see far too often on the internet is people jumping to semi-hysterical conclusions based on, at best, a shred of evidence. Now, I don't lump you in this category at all....but in this instance that's what I think you are doing. That doesn't mean I discount the possibility that you are right. I just don't see your comments as fair considering the lack of information.

The problem is that the scattered info from the jockey got broadcast on ESPN giving off the perception that an injustice was done. It would be a very good time for the NYRA to offer an explanation of what happened and if there was any fault on their end to apologize for it and say what measures are put in place to assure it won't happen again. Such a simple task but instead they'd rather leave people pissed off at them for a perceived injustice when it may be as simple as that the jockey was full of sh!t.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The problem is that the scattered info from the jockey got broadcast on ESPN giving off the perception that an injustice was done. It would be a very good time for the NYRA to offer an explanation of what happened and if there was any fault on their end to apologize for it and say what measures are put in place to assure it won't happen again. Such a simple task but instead they'd rather leave people pissed off at them for a perceived injustice when it may be as simple as that the jockey was full of sh!t.

Hang on a second. This incident happened early on the biggest racing day of the last four years. There has been no racing since. Let's wait a couple more days before we condemn NYRA for doing nothing about this.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hang on a second. This incident happened early on the biggest racing day of the last four years. There has been no racing since. Let's wait a couple more days before we condemn NYRA for doing nothing about this.

i had the 6/and the 4 in pick 3s.. it really wasnt a question the stewards not allowing an objection....if it was worthy of an inquiry..then the objection would hold some value.. i really think this whole thing is getting out of hand
the 4/6 had the problem in the turn. the 7 did nothing wrong..in the lane it was really not much.. 13 race card and the best horse won.. let it go

[ateamstupid]

We're all ignoring the most important lesson of Saturday's race: It's confirmed, Tiz It is a complete and utter chandelier.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hang on a second. This incident happened early on the biggest racing day of the last four years. There has been no racing since. Let's wait a couple more days before we condemn NYRA for doing nothing about this.

Sounds fair. What did you think of the non-DQ a couple Saturdays back... Santulli's Monastic Spring? The race where the Daily News guy banged on the Stewards' box door and was told to go away.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Sounds fair. What did you think of the non-DQ a couple Saturdays back... Santulli's Monastic Spring? The race where the Daily News guy banged on the Stewards' box door and was told to go away.

If Jerry Bossert banged on your door you would probably tell him to go away as well.

That was a tough call. I felt, if anything, the second horse herded the winner out in midstretch, causing him to bear out, and if anyone should have come down it was the second finisher. Personally, I didn't think anyone should come down....but I can see why some people would disagree.

The problem is the question of herding....and I generally disagree with how stewards see this. I think it's an eggregious foul and many don't.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hang on a second. This incident happened early on the biggest racing day of the last four years. There has been no racing since. Let's wait a couple more days before we condemn NYRA for doing nothing about this.

I'm willing to give them a few day but at the same time it seems like the attitude on here is that it wasn't a big deal. I think anytime something questionable happens in the sport on a major network it is a big deal since the last thing you want is people afraid to wager their money cause of the perception it is fixed. This is the sort of thing that everyone should be pushing to have addressed even if it is as simple as to say the jockey was talking out his ass. And for the record I wasn't cashing on that race either way so it's not like this is sour grapes.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'm willing to give them a few day but at the same time it seems like the attitude on here is that it wasn't a big deal. I think anytime something questionable happens in the sport on a major network it is a big deal since the last thing you want is people afraid to wager their money cause of the perception it is fixed. This is the sort of thing that everyone should be pushing to have addressed even if it is as simple as to say the jockey was talking out his ass. And for the record I wasn't cashing on that race either way so it's not like this is sour grapes.

With all do respect, many people did think it was a big deal. Even people who did not bet on the race voiced some displeasure at what went down. As far as mainstream America goes, I personally don't think that they were watching the 2nd at Belmont on ESPN, and if they were I don't think this one incident will change their perception of the sport. The people (that I percieve) that you are talking about are still going to make there 3-5 bets a year (Derby, Preakness,Belmont, etc.), whether they think the sport is legit or not.

[jpops757]

Four posibilities {1} The jockey never made a claim of foul. which we are led to think did hapen.{2} No outrider available. {3}the outrider wouldnt accept the claim. {4} the steward wouldnt accept the claim. Why wouldnt the track investigate this? If the jockey is making a false claim make him the scapegoat otherwise its all on the track. If the objection was at least flashed up on the board I could accept what happened. Is this just another way of telling the bettors we owe you nothing.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

There was absolutely no reason for Garcia to have his horse that close to the pace. He was in a perfect position before he got pinched.

Where he should have been has no bearing on the fact that he WAS there. He was crushed, lost 6 lengths and still missed by a 1 1/4 lengths.

The 6 should have come down. They were taking them down left and right at Keeneland for infractions not even close to that.