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hockey2315 · #61 05-08-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would completely agree with this. The Wizard's sheet is pretty good and he sells his opinion. I would agree that most touts you see out there, obviously John Piesen comes to mind, are only worth paying if you could book their opinions, but there are people getting paid for their opinions that have something to offer. I think a lot of you would be surprised to know how many supposed sharp guys sell their opinions privately.

I do some handicapping shows, I'm doing Sundays at NYRA now, so I fall under the category of getting paid for my opinion....at least sometimes. I do it because I like it, I think it promotes the game in a postive way, and because I get paid. I also win money betting.....but not always enough to pay all my bills.

If I change my name can I be "littlest Andy"?

2Hot4TV · #62 05-08-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I'm not asking for sympathy and I'm not looking for a character badge.

I called what I though was a legitimate business, not seeking out this kind of information, got fed a line and fell for it. I thought that any number of others could find themselves in the same situation, so I just wanted to say watch out.

Let's not take ourselves to seriously though shall we. My $50 is not going to distort any win pools, taking advantage of all the bettors in America. If you follow the logic presented, any of the connected people on this board who get inside tips on live horses, which happens all the time, and who do not immediately share with the group are guilty of the same thing.

I'm also pretty certain that the percentage of people on this board who have *never* checked out the Wizard's picks, or a Closer Look which oh that's right you pay for... is close to zero, so spare me the holier than thou line

End of Story

Who do you have for Friday? Just kidding.............

AlexP · #63 05-08-2008, 10:29 PM

Anonymous, I really don't think it's very right of people to be so belittling in this thread, but then again, almost every thread with the tiniest shred of controversy heads down a bad road, so...yeah. Anyway, thank you for admitting what you did and trying to warn people.

blackthroatedwind · #64 05-08-2008, 11:23 PM

I laughed.

#65 05-09-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexP

Anonymous, I really don't think it's very right of people to be so belittling in this thread, but then again, almost every thread with the tiniest shred of controversy heads down a bad road, so...yeah. Anyway, thank you for admitting what you did and trying to warn people.

that emerged in the thread after we worked through the group fighting their hangovers....

unfortunately not my last bad handicapping decision, but learned a lesson, pure con artistry... thx

moke0043 · #66 05-09-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I thought that Now A Victor ran on the Breeders' Cup undercard as well. It might have been his first stretch-out attempt. Trombetta spoke very highly of him prior to his debut.

He did run in the first race of the undercard...

Dunbar · #67 05-09-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would completely agree with this. The Wizard's sheet is pretty good and he sells his opinion. I would agree that most touts you see out there, obviously John Piesen comes to mind, are only worth paying if you could book their opinions, but there are people getting paid for their opinions that have something to offer. I think a lot of you would be surprised to know how many supposed sharp guys sell their opinions privately.

I do some handicapping shows, I'm doing Sundays at NYRA now, so I fall under the category of getting paid for my opinion....at least sometimes. I do it because I like it, I think it promotes the game in a postive way, and because I get paid. I also win money betting.....but not always enough to pay all my bills.

Right.

Also, there are other motivations in life besides money. Fame, for example. Some people write books with good info, presumably because they enjoy being (somewhat) famous more than the incremental extra money they could make by keeping the info private. I'm guessing (but could be totally wrong) that BTW enjoys the recognition that comes from having his face and opinions out in front of the racing public.

Some years ago Stanford Wong was alerted to a piece of information about a game in Biloxi that had an expected return of more than $1000/hr. With smaller bets, the game could have been milked indefinitely. Instead of maximizing his own win from the game, Wong put the info in his newsletter. Wong was in the business of selling good information, and he always felt his first obligation was to his customers. As a result, the game was swarmed by eager pros, and the game was shut down a day or two later. The estimated win by the players was estimated at $180K, but only a small part of that was Wong's own win. You can read about it on p.5 of this link:

http://www.conjelco.com/IG/IG4.pdf "Professional Sic Bo".

It's a good example of someone selling info that's worthwhile.

--Dunbar