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10-05-2007, 08:29 AM
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you know what's the best part of all of this SS/HS debate?
the fact that we're even able to have it. when was the last time the top 3 finishers even made it to the Classic?
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10-05-2007, 08:39 AM
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10-05-2007, 08:42 AM
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We also have to remember that jockey's ride the race as well. And John Velazquez aboard Lawyer Ron will take the race to Hard Spun a bit earlier if he thinks Mario Pino is too loose-on-the-lead. It could spell disaster, but jockey's know they can't let Hard Spun get away too freely. If Wanderin Boy or someone like that enters the race, this all becomes moot.
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10-05-2007, 08:50 AM
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So I am up front, Hard Spun is my guy, but as I've said before it's hard to fathom him winning at 10f. They thing I'd like to interject is that I'm not sure Street Sense is the same horse he was in May, or maybe the others have caught up. He beat nobody in the Jim Dandy. Barely held on against Grasshopper, and we all know what happened to him in his next out. Then looked somewhat happless chasing Hard Spun in the KCC. How many times can Nafzger work his magic? At this point it looks like Any Given Saturday could be the one and that makes me ill.
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10-05-2007, 08:56 AM
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10-05-2007, 09:13 PM
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10-05-2007, 09:35 PM
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What we need is a few more negitive stories..like he worked to fast... or Carl scratched his head too long and it means he is concerned..some questioning media article and we can get 4-1..at that point it's back up the truck! I agree with DaHoss ..he has been pointed to this race by a trainer that knows what the hell he is doing....
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10-06-2007, 10:45 AM
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keep in mind hawthorne altered their main track and did some things to it after the harness meet concluded this summer and has made the track slower. also there wasnt much early lick in there and jonesboro was allowed to coast on the front end and set very easy fractions which made him finish better than he shoulda at the distance, emigh did a terrific job on him that race
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10-06-2007, 02:21 PM
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Just a few things...
1. What Lawyer Ron/Hard Spun does pacewise may be altered by the prescence of Mr. Umphrey and Rudy R. (assuming Diamond Stripes goes) 2. Personally I give Hard Spun almost no chance to win this race if all the probables go, regardless of pace, regardless of trips... 3. As I mentioned to Drugs before in another thread, Monmouth only gets one chance at hosting a Breeders Cup and if there are a parade of wire to wire winners on an obviously biased surface, they won't get another no matter how they handles the crowd, traffic, etc. Plus the fact that the races will be run in a different climate than the summer may alter how the track plays. 4. Post Positions may play a big role in who does what early in the race...
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10-06-2007, 03:49 PM
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What sort of weather can be expected in Monmouth later this month? If they are due for rain or very cold weather, there is every chance the track will quicken up even more. I really haven't got a strong view on the race yet, but i do think it will revolve around what Hard Spun manages to do with Lawyer Ron (or the other way around).
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10-06-2007, 03:59 PM
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Monmouth officials have said they expect the track to play fairly which would be directly opposite of how the dirt plays during the hot weather. So naturally you would expect them to try to avoid a speed bias. The days before may offer a hint, especially if speed is not holding. You have to understand that if a bunch of supposedly inferior speed types win all of Breeders Cup races, Monmouth will never get another shot at a BC. Since they are using the Breeders Cup as the focal point of a long campaign to get help from the state of NJ, they are going to want as little controversy as possible.
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10-06-2007, 06:27 PM
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Just watched the overhead of the Derby and the Preakness again. For some reason, I gained just a little bit more respect for what Street Sense was able to do in those races. Now, there is every possibility that he hasn't progressed in the same manner as the others have. I don't think he has. I don't see him finishing better than third.....which means Hard Spun can't be any better than fourth.
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