Will You Vote For Him: Giuliani? - Page 3

randallscott35 · #41 02-12-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee

In short, no.

BTW, how much has the NYC paid out to settle lawsuits brought by residents and city workers (mostly about constitutional rights violations) for things done under Rudi's admin? Last I heard, almost $2M. Imagine him with an already established Dept of Homeland Security...

Who knows, but you could get 2M for falling on a sidewalk in the city. That's nothing.

randallscott35 · #42 02-12-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?

Huh? You have me stumped on this one.

#43 02-12-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.

Downthestretch55 · #44 02-12-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

If the country has survived under the current adminstration, I have faith that we can survive almost anything. Now that the cards are on the table, its clear GW chose a horrible group of people to help him run things on the whole. There are clearly competent people here and there, but on the whole horrendous appointments (from cabinet to foreign ambassadors). I have to ask myself what candidate will not owe positions to backers after what we have been through and go from there. From that point of view, McCain seems to me the guy that would owe the least and therefore have the ability to pick the best people for all of the important jobs (even FEMA). Even though I clearly have misgivings about him.

Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

Downthestretch55 · #45 02-12-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Huh? You have me stumped on this one.

Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.

randallscott35 · #46 02-12-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.

Who cares? Personal lives are the biggest hoax for politicians. Did you like Clinton? He was a scumbag but a decent President. That's what's important. I'm not looking for a Godfather to my children. I want a leader.

somerfrost · #47 02-12-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Randall,
Rudy had prostate cancer, told his second wife about the divorce during a press conference, now has a third.
To me, he's not a "stand-up" guy.
Do a google.

And Bill Clinton had cigars that had a distinct smell and used the Oval Office to have illicit encounters with a young woman (maybe women)...still, he was a better President than most. Ike had a mistress forever...the tabloid stuff doesn't interest me, I'd rather have a person in the office who was a saint, but they don't often run for the job!

Downthestretch55 · #48 02-12-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

And Bill Clinton had cigars that had a distinct smell and used the Oval Office to have illicit encounters with a young woman (maybe women)...still, he was a better President than most. Ike had a mistress forever...the tabloid stuff doesn't interest me, I'd rather have a person in the office who was a saint, but they don't often run for the job!

SF and Randall,
Good points...I'm just stating what won't "play" in the Bible belt.
Ike did a pretty good job. Clinton got impeached for his desires.
Rudy will have to come up with some answers to the thumpers before he gains credibility. See also WTC 7.

Danzig · #49 02-12-2007, 04:40 PM

hell, jefferson was from the south...he got elected.

yeah, ok, bad example-that was a long time ago....

Downthestretch55 · #50 02-12-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

hell, jefferson was from the south...he got elected.

yeah, ok, bad example-that was a long time ago....

D-zig,
You need more examples? Lyndon Baines, Jimmy, Dubbya and Dub Daddy.
If ya need more, I can google.

#51 02-12-2007, 04:51 PM

I'm voting for Kucinich.

SentToStud · #52 02-12-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?

lol. "not tonight, my prostate's acting up."

Giuliani has his problems but only one counts. He can't win. He does not have a chance. He's going to have to answer for his views on abortion, gays and guns as well as his own morals and he's going to get killed.

I'm expecting an incredibly vicious campaign for the Republican nomination. It's going to be an absolute bloodbath as the scramble is on to save the GOP.

The Far Right of the party may not be able to carry a candidate to win in the General election any more but they will surely have enough steam to not allow Giuliani as their candidate.

Danzig · #53 02-12-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

D-zig,
You need more examples? Lyndon Baines, Jimmy, Dubbya and Dub Daddy.
If ya need more, I can google.

my point was that presidents past and present had their private skeletons in their closet, didn't make them unelectable. certainly our founding fathers had their moments-thank goodness the religious right and morals police weren't around back then to keep them from doing their job!

#54 02-13-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
McCain has already gone "all in" with the "surge".
I hope it works out for him, but I don't think so.
If it doesn't, he's a "fold" and walks away from the table. Rudy isn't far behind.
And, yes, your thoughts on GW are correct. Some "legacy".

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

Downthestretch55 · #55 02-13-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS. This surge is NOT popular in the moderate conservative group which McCain clearly sits. An example that he will buck the tide and will do what he thinks is appropriate. The guy has political guts which is probably why he will not be elected. He is not wishy-washy enough. You know where he stands. Not nearly as vague as the boma or hillary.

Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

Downthestretch55 · #56 02-13-2007, 12:44 PM

Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

randallscott35 · #57 02-13-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here's some more on Rudy.
Might be just me, but I don't think a 14 year marriage to your second cousin will play. (half-way down)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...giuliani1.html

Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

Downthestretch55 · #58 02-13-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Second cousin makes all the difference. LOL, again, who cares? I sure don't.

Doesn't matter to me either...I already said I won't vote for him.
However, the second cousin issue might not "play" with certain key supporters of the right-wing Repubs, and in the B-belt.

Cajungator26 · #59 02-13-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Probably pretty well known by now but:
1) Hillary
2) Condy
3) Obama

HILLARY?!!!

#60 02-13-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pg,
Catch the link on the other thread where he'll be the "keynote speaker" for the creationists on Feb 23.

I would not put it past him to go in there and tell them they are foolish. He has done things like this before. He has gone in and faced hostile crowds, or turned crowds hostile. I will be very interested to see what he has to say.

But maybe the right people have got to him, and he will play the right game in front of the right crowd. Sad. I always enjoyed his combative nature when he felt strongly about an issue. And he had a very easy time working with the other side as they did not see him as an idealogue. Conservative groups have called him barely Republican in the past. He has got his own drummer. But that may change this time around. He probably will tell people what they want to hear, not what he believes, just like the rest. The country just cant stomach bad news.