They'll be Hanging From the Rafters at the Big A Friday - Page 3

Rudeboyelvis · #41 01-05-2007, 02:52 PM

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Don't see him winning here, I'd like to see a little more distance for him against this pace...although he broke his maiden over the same track at the same distance. That said, I like him keyed under the 1,2,3,6 - if it's even worth betting.

Taake the Bluff wins it - Jazil 2nd and one of the coupled entries was third.

Impossible to really see anything for the fog. looks like Jara started him a bit late but he really didn't show the closing speed you would have expected.

SniperSB23 · #42 01-05-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Taake the Bluff wins it - Jazil 2nd and one of the coupled entries was third.

Impossible to really see anything for the fog. looks like Jara started him a bit late but he really didn't show the closing speed you would have expected.

He's never really been a closer, he just runs the same speed all race so passes tiring horses at the end. Looks like he isn't any faster that he'll be a factor at 8.5 to 9 furlongs. Time to start building a campaign around the 9.5 to 10 furlong stakes. Can't believe he went at less than even money here.

Gander · #43 01-05-2007, 02:56 PM

He ran decent for a suck up 2nd behind a horse who was able to dictate his own pace even after a clumsy start. Take the Bluff got pounded to 3/1, late money rules at the Big A. Kind of stinks for those people who thought they were getting 6/1 with like 4 mtp.

Sightseek · #44 01-05-2007, 02:58 PM

Good boy! (no one please bite my head off, this is my favorite horse in training

)

Gander · #45 01-05-2007, 02:59 PM

While his Belmont win was going 12F, I dont necessarily think the longer he goes the better. Unless he gets significantly faster, hes going to have a problem winning any race over 9F against really top handicap horses. That Belmont field was brutal, worst ever assembled.

Hes kind of a tweener to me. Not fast enough to win at a mile, isnt ever going to capitalize on a field as weak as the Belmont Stakes again going long. May be a decent grade 3/ high priced allowance horse.

Buffymommy · #46 01-05-2007, 03:00 PM

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Good boy! (no one please bite my head off, this is my favorite horse in training

)

No biting of heads. He is a nice horse. I want him to win more races to earn some respect from others. He did win the Belmont. I like him too. Not my fave horse in training, but I do like him.

KirisClown · #47 01-05-2007, 03:03 PM

Id like to see them try the turf with this horse...

#48 01-05-2007, 03:06 PM

He is a fine horse. This was his first race since forever. I dont think it was that bad at all. I look for him to improve a bit.

SniperSB23 · #49 01-05-2007, 03:11 PM

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While his Belmont win was going 12F, I dont necessarily think the longer he goes the better. Unless he gets significantly faster, hes going to have a problem winning any race over 9F against really top handicap horses. That Belmont field was brutal, worst ever assembled.

Hes kind of a tweener to me. Not fast enough to win at a mile, isnt ever going to capitalize on a field as weak as the Belmont Stakes again going long. May be a decent grade 3/ high priced allowance horse.

I disagree totally. Virtually every two furlong segment of every race he's run has been between 24 and 25 seconds. The shorter the race is the tougher it is to compete running that speed. At 12 furlongs he'd do well against most of the top horses out there. 10 furlongs is going to be tough, 9 will be extremely difficult. At a mile he has no chance.

cmorioles · #50 01-05-2007, 03:13 PM

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He's never really been a closer, he just runs the same speed all race so passes tiring horses at the end.

That is a closer.

SniperSB23 · #51 01-05-2007, 03:14 PM

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That is a closer.

I consider a closer a horse that sits back and turns it on at the end. He doesn't do that, he runs the same pace the whole way. I'd consider him a plodder which sounds insulting but he's at least a very good plodder.

#52 01-05-2007, 03:16 PM

He is the Giacomo of the East Coast. But I would bet on Giacomo before Jazil.

cmorioles · #53 01-05-2007, 03:16 PM

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I consider a closer a horse that sits back and turns it on at the end.

Good luck finding one of those on dirt.

Sightseek · #54 01-05-2007, 03:18 PM

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Good luck finding one of those on dirt.

Sun King

KY_Sasquash · #55 01-05-2007, 03:20 PM

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City Attraction and Shmoo are scratched. The City Attraction scratch really hurts Jazil and moves up Take the Bluff.

BTW, nice call on Take the Bluff

SniperSB23 · #56 01-05-2007, 03:23 PM

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Good luck finding one of those on dirt.

There are plenty of horses like that. Horses that have the speed to compete at shorter distances because they vary their speed early from race to race and come late with one big burst. Afleet Alex was like that, able to win stakes at 6 and 12 furlongs. Even Steppenwolfer has a burst of speed at the end even if it hasn't been helping him get in the winner's circle. Jazil just runs the same speed the whole way, that doesn't get it done at shorter distances. If you look at the fractions today Jara screwed up and rode the horse like he was a closer rather than a plodder. He kept him far off the pace when it went through in almost 24, 48, and 1:12. Jazil could have been close to that pace and still kept his 24- 25 clip through the finish line. Once he is way behind a 1:12 he doesn't have that closing kick to go win the race. Jara gave the horse no chance.