Aqu 1st

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

amazing thing was she paid, I think, 5-2. There is a chance she was as high as 4-1 but she was bet like IRON into Capote Belle.

Santos rode her and Drew ( who had his book then ) told me she was VERY good but we were all rightfully afraid of Capote Belle. They had comparable trips, though for some reason I think Danseuse's was tougher, and she drowned her ( like 2 1/2 lengths pretty easily ).

Ok look, I agree this is stupid, but you wanna play etiquette enforcer so...

In this post of your you refer to "drew" who we all know is Mollica.
You name dropper.
I could keep going I suppose, but anyone hwo hangs around the track is gonna say things like this now and then because they know folks.
Need more examples?

You're right, I shouldn't have said Drew's name off hand like that, even though he is a close friend of mine, as would anyone be who's name I use like that. It was a mistake, I agree, but it's hard sometimes. Unlike you, who is friends with none of the people who's names you throw around, I am friends with a ton of people at the track. It is hard to always keep that in check.

I won't make that mistake again.

Any horse that wins with Herbie could possibly be considered " great ".

It certainly means she overcame a bad start.


Thats you talking about Castillo BTW.
Obviously only an imbecile would think that was name dropping, and I don't.
But basically you are saying that mentioning a guys first name is name dropping, even if in the context of a mundane factual remark.
I disagree.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're right, I shouldn't have said Drew's name off hand like that, even though he is a close friend of mine, as would anyone be who's name I use like that. It was a mistake, I agree, but it's hard sometimes. Unlike you, who is friends with none of the people who's names you throw around, I am friends with a ton of people at the track. It is hard to always keep that in check.

I won't make that mistake again.

Oh who the **** cares that you said it/
Who the **** doesn't know who he is? hes a legendary racetrack guy, and tv personality. Thats not namedropping, and I think its foolish for anyone to consider it name dropping. But Im not attempting to set standdards by which yyou post or psychoanalyze you!!!!
last time I checkd, name dropping was saying you went to lunch wth so and so, or were going to the races with him, etc.
Its an internet board, Ididn't realize the standards were so high.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by philcski

9th @ Aqu, ran 2nd 4 times today and was about to throw my program out the window.

2nd race @ 10-1
5th @ 11-1
6th @ 6-1
8th @ 21-1

Well done. If you do throw the form out the window, remember to let it go first. Took me a few tosses to learn that.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any horse that wins with Herbie could possibly be considered " great ".

It certainly means she overcame a bad start.


Thats you talking about Castillo BTW.
Obviously only an imbecile would think that was name dropping, and I don't.
But basically you are saying that mentioning a guys first name is name dropping, even if in the context of a mundane factual remark.
I disagree.

I couldn't pick Herb Castillo out from a lineup of NBA players and I call him "Herbie", that's what everybody calls him... like "Johnny V", or "Javy".

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well done. If you do throw the form out the window, remember to let it go first. Took me a few tosses to learn that.

Haha very true. The only times I've gotten that upset were watching my Mets lose another playoff series.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Eric, my post was to point out that freak outs by some guys get accusations, and by others none.
I think there is way too much paranoia and emphasis on Juice around here, and get called naive for it.
Freak outs happen.

I think, in this case, your "motivation" was missed by most. Now, the issue is something completely different -- gee, what a surprise, LOL. Anyway, being that a BB is a dead medium, it's pretty common to have things "missed" or so to speak.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any horse that wins with Herbie could possibly be considered " great ".

It certainly means she overcame a bad start.


Thats you talking about Castillo BTW.
Obviously only an imbecile would think that was name dropping, and I don't.
But basically you are saying that mentioning a guys first name is name dropping, even if in the context of a mundane factual remark.
I disagree.

Let it drop Mike.....else I will reprint Hooves's post from a month ago .

Originally Posted by philcski

I couldn't pick Herb Castillo out from a lineup of NBA players and I call him "Herbie", that's what everybody calls him... like "Johnny V", or "Javy".

And where I live, we get "Roddied" every single day. Hes a local owner who always has some nice horses. The announcers on the local otb network talk about him and his horses all day long, and they always say "roddy" and never use his last name.
Quiet frankly he may the be most famous horseguy up here in terms of coevrage by the local media.
Almost everyone up around here who doesnt even KNOW him would say "Roddy" and I doubt any of them are "name dropping".

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let it drop Mike.....else I will reprint Hooves's post from a month ago .

You do that.
And I will tell a tale of my own.
YOU let it drop.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You do that.
And I will tell a tale of my own.
YOU let it drop.

I made a joke...you follow it with a threat?

Get real, dude, seriously.

Originally Posted by ELA

I think, in this case, your "motivation" was missed by most. Now, the issue is something completely different -- gee, what a surprise, LOL. Anyway, being that a BB is a dead medium, it's pretty common to have things "missed" or so to speak.

Eric

And noone has adressed it yet either.
I posted that and meant to expound up on it but had to run out and do some errands and by the time I got back SOMEONE had twisted it into something else.
My intent was to spark debate about perceptions and reality.
I've also started this kind of a thread when I spoke about how people overintrepret trouble trips on short priced horses, and disprespect troubel trips on bombs.
Its perception that I'm speaking about.
In this case, what i'm saying is that you see horses jump up and freak out or reverse form all the time, but only certain guys get yelled about.
I think juice paranoia is out of hand, and while certainly not saying its nota big problem in the game now(it is) I think its been exaggerated to greater proportions than it is.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I made a joke...you follow it with a threat?

Get real, dude, seriously.

No threat, and I'm still waiting to hear about my original intent, which was to discuss and aprk debate(and yeah, I had you targeted when I made teh first post, but no to go where you took it all).
I thught when I posted it would spark a useful thread, and it still might, I think I had a very valid point.

[paisjpq]

gentlemen...kindly take a few moment and compose yourselves...this is NOT worth it.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

gentlemen...kindly take a few moment and compose yourselves...this is NOT worth it.

Its over and done, you are kinda late on the scene.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its over and done, you are kinda late on the scene.
.

sorry, I have to work once in a while.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

sorry, I have to work once in a while.

LOL!!
Horses have to eat on Sundays too, I know I know, I hear it all the time from anyone who has them.

[2MinsToPost]

3 pages about the 1st at Aqueduct? No, turns into a pissing match that should have been handled out of the public eye but is left for the world to read, glad I did not waste more then a couple seconds scanning this thread.

[SentToStud]

[quote=blackthroatedwind]How " off my game " am I?



Was pointing out that Bishop Court Hill was the speed of the speed in the feature " off my game ". Let me guess further...Dixie called you after the race to tell you that as well?

QUOTE]

Chief, you were dead on your game re: Bishop Court Hill. $9.20 to boot. Good one! By the way, "Speed of the Speed" in French is, " La Vite de la Vite." Chicks dig French speaking handicapers. This much, I know.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And noone has adressed it yet either.
I posted that and meant to expound up on it but had to run out and do some errands and by the time I got back SOMEONE had twisted it into something else.
My intent was to spark debate about perceptions and reality.
I've also started this kind of a thread when I spoke about how people overintrepret trouble trips on short priced horses, and disprespect troubel trips on bombs.
Its perception that I'm speaking about.
In this case, what i'm saying is that you see horses jump up and freak out or reverse form all the time, but only certain guys get yelled about.
I think juice paranoia is out of hand, and while certainly not saying its nota big problem in the game now(it is) I think its been exaggerated to greater proportions than it is.

I understand your point, but to be honest, I think there was a bit of a bias there; and I am sure that I am not the only one who read it that way. Whatever your motive is or was, and regardless of whatever you were trying to infer, people read what they read and sometimes the "author" or origin plays into how they read it. The only difference is that I take it with a grain of salt and I don't care either way (no offense and in no way am I trivializing anything you've said).

Obviously you would stick up for your friends or clients, as would others. Nothing uncommon there. However, in this case I think you were off base. I could be wrong but I don't think Bruce Levine would be the same target as some of the "usual" and common targets. Levine shoots very well, is consistantly a high % trainer, has been on the backstretch for more than a quarter century, passed the 1000th win milestone in the past year, and I could be wrong on this but I don't think he has ever had a positive test.

I see your point, but I think it was misdirected and off target.

Eric