Update on Calder spill Monday - Page 3

#41 12-13-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by uscrules

what is a troll? are only certain people on here eligible to tell fibs like unohoo. chloe likes hollywood but hates the new surface.
sing a christmas carol and lighten up tight as-s. punk.

Go wash Trent Green's jockstrap, poof.

The Bid · #42 12-13-2006, 04:12 PM

Who knows Trent Green, can you get me tickets?

uscrules · #43 12-13-2006, 04:15 PM

The only fibber we have here is you.

im rolling in my pajamas. thats the funniast thing ive heard this year.
pillow, your avatare is awful. enough to make me sign off.
chloe is fine, tanks for asking pooch.

#44 12-13-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by uscrules

The only fibber we have here is you.

im rolling in my pajamas. thats the funniast thing ive heard this year.
pillow, your avatare is awful. enough to make me sign off.
chloe is fine, tanks for asking pooch.

Only trolls hide beind a keyboard. Anytime you wanna meet lemme know pal.

uscrules · #45 12-13-2006, 04:18 PM

your 14 hours for today will soon be up. time to sign off and find something else to do. watch some more races, its noble work knish.

The Bid · #46 12-13-2006, 04:25 PM

He kept pounding because he was on even money and had a chance to win. He did his job.

The Bid · #47 12-13-2006, 04:34 PM

Cyber fights have no rules...Moms, girlfriends, jobs, financial status, all perfectly legal

#48 12-13-2006, 05:06 PM

I don't know for sure as I was not on the horse!This kid is an excellent rider.. beter than his brother.. we started using him from the beginning and I personally like him very very much. Not only is he a natural but he speaks english and is extremely polite and pleasant to be around.

Any horse can break down one mis-step and it could be over... I guess one horse can ... make it two horses that can remind us how true this is... Afleet Alex and Barbaro... I was around both after the Preakness. Alex for all intent and purposes should be Barbaro and
Barbaro Alex... If you catch what Im saying... any horse, any time, any rider, any owner, and any trainer! opps and any bloodstock agent!

It's a sad part of racing but a part never the less... and I'm not being cruel!

blackthroatedwind · #49 12-13-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

I believe he clipped heels.

You might want to watch the race....his is nowhere NEAR another horse when he went down.

#50 12-13-2006, 05:24 PM

I didn't see... I heard Bobby Neuman say it... point is.. only the guy on the horse really knows but I'll go watch the replay... I did see the race but didn't catch it...

blackthroatedwind · #51 12-13-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

I didn't see... I heard Bobby Neuman say it... point is.. only the guy on the horse really knows but I'll go watch the replay... I did see the race but didn't catch it...

I don't know who Bobby Neuman is but if he thinks that horse clipped heels I hope he doesn't operate heavy machinery.

#52 12-13-2006, 05:39 PM

Sorry BTW.... I ***** up! I was watching the 10th race that day in which JB did clip heels... I just watched the replay... I don't know if JB's hitting did it.. I can't tell how hard he was hitting but I do know I have never seen a welt on our horses... JB in my opinion is not a whip "offender". was he over zealous.. I don't know.... I don't think he was but thats my oppinion. Bill White is not the type to send out a sore horse and the jock sure wasn't riding him like he had something to fear...

blackthroatedwind · #53 12-13-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

Sorry BTW.... I ***** up! I was watching the 10th race that day in which JB did clip heels... I just watched the replay... I don't know if JB's hitting did it.. I can't tell how hard he was hitting but I do know I have never seen a welt on our horses... JB in my opinion is not a whip "offender". was he over zealous.. I don't know.... I don't think he was but thats my oppinion. Bill White is not the type to send out a sore horse and the jock sure wasn't riding him like he had something to fear...

I think the initial point that caused the argument is probably correct in many ways. An experienced journeyman rider MAY have recognized there was a problem ( the horse was drifting BADLY ) and probably would not only have not been whipping as aggressively but also might have pulled the horse up. It's obviously easy for us to say this stuff but there are plusses and minuses to anything and an apprentice is pretty much simply not going to have the experience of a journeyman rider.

The Bid · #54 12-13-2006, 05:53 PM

Neuman is the track caller at Calder.

Bridge broke the horse off from the pony prerace A) Trainer instructed him to warm her up, or B) she was sore.

He rode the horse like you want a jock to ride an even money

The horse was being bottomed out after showing talent at a higher level, she had some issues that the trainer was familiar with.

The horse was closer to clipping the grandstand than she was clipping heels.

All that said the kid didnt do anything wrong except ride his mount to the fullest. Glad he is alright. Maybe when he loses the bug and is more established he gate scratches that filly but once those gates are popped he did his job

blackthroatedwind · #55 12-13-2006, 05:56 PM

And I'll also add that I think it's important to recognize the responsibility all riders have to each other. This incident could have been a LOT worse, and I believe two other horses and riders went down, and I have felt for quite some time that racetracks in general are too lenient in allowing apprentices to ride. I have seen some wildly irresponsible riders on the NYRA curcuit during winter meets over the years. I am shocked that the journeymen riders haven't made a stink about some of these riders in the past. A dangerous rider is like a drunk driver....he is a menace to far more than him or herself.

I am NOT saying this is the case here, one way or another, and I haven't seen this kid ride. But, while many accidents on the racetrack are unavoidable, some aren't. Was this one that was avoidable? I have no idea, and there seem to be differing opinions here, but I don't think it's wildly unfair to suggest that at least perhaps a very experienced rider may have changed the outcome.

Fanofthejuiceguys · #56 12-13-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Neuman is the track caller at Calder.

Bridge broke the horse off from the pony prerace A) Trainer instructed him to warm her up, or B) she was sore.

He rode the horse like you want a jock to ride an even money

The horse was being bottomed out after showing talent at a higher level, she had some issues that the trainer was familiar with.

The horse was closer to clipping the grandstand than she was clipping heels.

All that said the kid didnt do anything wrong except ride his mount to the fullest. Glad he is alright. Maybe when he loses the bug and is more established he gate scratches that filly but once those gates are popped he did his job

Why are you still so obsessed with the rider gate scratching the horse? Why can't you accept the possibility that something happened to the horse DURING THE RACE. That would mean after the post parade, warmup, and going into and breaking from the gate, in sequence. You don't seem to understand that. You can defend the kid all you want. His poor judgement directly led to that accident.

#57 12-13-2006, 06:04 PM

That is so wrong... it was not his fault! If this kid pulled the horse up in mid stretch and the horse walked off.. you all would be screaming and you know it!!!

The Bid · #58 12-13-2006, 06:05 PM

I just dont agree with you. When a horse is broke off like she was in the postparade something isnt right. I dont think it happened in the race, I think her last race was a sign she wasnt going right, if not that the cut to the bottom had to give a little heads up? I think if anyone is responsible its the trainer sending the horse to post. Bridge gave the horse the ride youd expect a jockey to give an even money.

Im not obsessed, I just know Im right.

Fanofthejuiceguys · #59 12-13-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

That is so wrong... it was not his fault! If this kid pulled the horse up in mid stretch and the horse walked off.. you all would be screaming and you know it!!!

You are living in a fantasy world. You haven't even watched the replay yet you choose to espouse expertise. No one wishes ill on the kid, nor his anyone condemming him as a person. He did however make a major error in professional judgement. Some may view this as a rookie mistake, I view it as an irresponsible lapse in judgement. His overzealousness took two other riders down with him and led to the death of his mount. How is pointing that obvious fact out wrong in your eyes. For someone who supposedly has a background working with racehorses and around the racetrack you are curiously in denial of the irrefutable facts.

#60 12-13-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fanofthejuiceguys

You are living in a fantasy world. You haven't even watched the replay yet you choose to espouse expertise. No one wishes ill on the kid, nor his anyone condemming him as a person. He did however make a major error in professional judgement. Some may view this as a rookie mistake, I view it as an irresponsible lapse in judgement. His overzealousness took two other riders down with him and led to the death of his mount. How is pointing that obvious fact out wrong in your eyes. For someone who supposedly has a background working with racehorses and around the racetrack you are curiously in denial of the irrefutable facts.

Irrefutable in YOUR eyes. Do you have the vet records on this horse? Talk to White? Talk to Bridgmohan? If you have then its irrefutable. If you have not then its just a theory.