If you're not a horse then maybe you're a rabbit

Originally Posted by Gander

The Meadowlands is a great kept secret in horse racing. I love the night races and its nice to see the big name trainers and horses like Wanderin Boy run there. They have great turf racing there as well.

Speaking of starter allowances I miss Coyote Lakes! Man was that horse ever good at running those marathon distances.

He was sold to Arab interests a few years back by Roddy.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

Should be fun to see how they run Bernardini tho, no doubt he rather be up front either leading or right up with the leader. Could finally see the armor come apart!!!Invasor on the other hand prolly would not mind being in mid pack with a big chance to close. This is a great idea just not enough to take out both of the big names

What races indicate to you that this is the case? Bernardini rated rather willingly and easily in the Preakness, when he was about 5 lengths off the lead.......he was about 2 or 3 lengths off the lead in the Withers. Castellano sent him to the lead in the Jim Dandy because he was tons the best and didn't want to take any chances on a sloppy track.

Ateam, I thought I read that it was Castellano who chirped at Bernardini to take the lead in the Travers because he didn't want to get caught between horses, not that Bernardini was rank..........

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

What races indicate to you that this is the case? Bernardini rated rather willingly and easily in the Preakness, when he was about 5 lengths off the lead.......he was about 2 or 3 lengths off the lead in the Withers. Castellano sent him to the lead in the Jim Dandy because he was tons the best and didn't want to take any chances on a sloppy track.

Ateam, I thought I read that it was Castellano who chirped at Bernardini to take the lead in the Travers because he didn't want to get caught between horses, not that Bernardini was rank..........

That very well could be Betsy, but unfortunately, I can't hear the jockey when I'm watching the race.

All I know is he looked to be more eager than he had in the past, but as you said, that very well may have been by design.

Either way, like I said, I think the boss wins by open lengths, I just hope he rates as well as he can.

[SniperSB23]

Didn't Dylan Thomas win on an easy lead last race? I may be confusing him with another Euro but I thought that was the case. This is going to be another situation where the rabbit doesn't benefit the horse he is supposed to. Zito must be licking his chops at the prospect of Andromeda's Hero plodding by tired horses in the end.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Didn't Dylan Thomas win on an easy lead last race? I may be confusing him with another Euro but I thought that was the case. This is going to be another situation where the rabbit doesn't benefit the horse he is supposed to. Zito must be licking his chops at the prospect of Andromeda's Hero plodding by tired horses in the end.

No, Ace made the pace for Dylan Thomas in the Irish Champion at Leopardstown last time. They are bound to want a good, solid gallop for Dylan, as, being an Irish Derby winner, he has plenty of stamina.

[Cajungator26]

Had a dream about the JCGC last night... in my dream, a chestnut horse won. Bernardini and Invasor are both bay. Who does that leave?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Sometimes these rabbits screw everything up, at least it will be an interesting race...

As in last year's JCGC. Why Todd used a rabbit for a speed horse is beyond me. Chantal choked the rabbit and JV actually was ahead of her up the backstretch. Message to Todd, rabbits are used to make a fast pace for the closers, Flower Alley is a speed horse, a rabbit hurts him.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He was sold to Arab interests a few years back by Roddy.

Coyote was NOT sold. He's retired here in the USA. he was in NY but I heard a rumor that he may have returned to his breeder in AZ. I'll ask around.
Early Warning, who won the Gallant Fox was sold to Arabs for extended distance racing (2+miles) in Saudi Arabia.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Linny

Coyote was NOT sold. He's retired here in the USA. he was in NY but I heard a rumor that he may have returned to his breeder in AZ. I'll ask around.
Early Warning, who won the Gallant Fox was sold to Arabs for extended distance racing (2+miles) in Saudi Arabia.

Wasn't he retired to one of the Universities in NY?

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Wasn't he retired to one of the Universities in NY?

yes I hear he's a junior at Syracuse

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Had a dream about the JCGC last night... in my dream, a chestnut horse won. Bernardini and Invasor are both bay. Who does that leave?

ap arrow, awesome twist, commentator, sp. chest. wanderin boy, mstr command....if you are going to go that way

[Gander]

I remember Early Warning winning a race at Saratoga by over 25 lengths. Anyone else remember that race?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

ap arrow, awesome twist, commentator, sp. chest. wanderin boy, mstr command....if you are going to go that way

Andromeda's Hero is also chestnut.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I happen to agree with you on this BTW. It's the rules that are unfair.
The problem is how to tell a guy he cant run a horse in a race.
They will point to Seek Gold at 99-1 as an example that anything can happen.
I wish the stewards in the US had the authority and power like those overseas to suspend and question trainers and jocks who give race altering rides. I mean, in theory they do, but they never do it.
I'd love to have stewards asking all these jocks and trainers in grade one races why their horses have great speed until the grade one comes along(especially with fillies who are so much more valuable when getting a grade one placing) and they grab.
I don't think Dutrow was real happy or proud of what occurred that day.
I know for a fact he was furious that Prado got yanked, and it was not his call. Thats why after Silver Train ran the BC sprint and won he said on Tv that he was standing next to the greatest jockey alive. It was a not so subtle message. There are owners and racing managers involved with some of these horses, and the trainer doesn't get the whole say.
I thought that what Bailey and Solis did to Smarty Jones was even worse. Two hall of fame jocks who know pace and the running style of their horses(espcially Bailey) sacrificed any chance their mounts had at winning the race, just to try and make sure another horse was defeated.
I'm quite sure if Bailey had to do that all over again, he would do it differently. It was a black eye on an other wise classy and spectacular career.
But as the rules stand, rabbits are used. And not everything is just a reflection of winning.
The Coolmore thing has gotten very ugly with the Sheikhs. By boycotting the sires and offspring of Coolmore, they have basically made breeders afraid to breed to Coolomores stallions because they know they won't hit a home run at the sales. That can potentially cost them hunderds of millions. So Coolmore wants to beat the Sheikh's stars.
Its spilled over into a complex situation that has effects on the track and off the track in so very many ways.
And none of it is pleasant.

I have no problem with rabbits. You pays your money to nom/enter/run, you takes your chances.

I have no problem with trainers taking advantage of the playing field.

I am strongly against uncoupled entries at the trainer level.

I know why tracks do it but it is wrong.

Uncoupled entries in stakes races are the worst case. Too much at stake not to take full advantage. It's just wrong.