Early Breeders' Cup Projections... - Page 3

#41 09-19-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

I like him too. I really think that this year he is beginning to figure this racing thing out. He has been improving in every race. He will be in my tris because he tries hard everytime. IMO, he will be in one of the top three spots at the finish line.

If the field for Classic is what I think it is going to be then I love Sun King in this race. He is really the only horse who can make a strong middle move. Churchill plays right into his running style. I will be in Louisville the week of the BC and I will report back on how Sun King is doing.

Buffymommy · #42 09-19-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I would personally like to see her in the mile again because she was so close last year (3rd; lost by a length), and she didn't have the best of trips. Love this mare. With that being said, Aragorn sure is nice too.

I was VERY mad at Gary last year after that ride. I know it wasn't REALLY his fault, but I was still mad at him.

Buffymommy · #43 09-19-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

If the field for Classic is what I think it is going to be then I love Sun King in this race. He is really the only horse who can make a strong middle move. Churchill plays right into his running style. I will be in Louisville the week of the BC and I will report back on how Sun King is doing.

Cool! Thanks Euro. Fill us in on what you see with all the horses.

#44 09-19-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How does that make sense? So Silver Train won the BC Sprint at 6 furlongs and then went and won the Met Mile at 8 furlongs. By your logic if those two extra furlongs weren't an issue then he should have no problem adding two more furlongs and going a mile and a quarter.

It is pretty easy to justify that she is best at a mile since that is where her trainer, who knows way more about her than any of us, thinks she is best.

No sir, your wrong there....the differnece between a mile and 1 1/4 miles is the TWO TURNS MORE THAN ANYTHING....Could Silver Train get a mile anywhere other than a place like Belmont, AQU, CD or ARL where it is a ONE TURN race?...I doubt it....But, could Silver Train get 1 1/4 miles if there were such thing as a one turn 10-furlong race, who knows...maybe...

What people don't undertstand about stamina is that most of the time it has to do with having the ability to negotiiate the second turn rather than the distance....your exapmle was dead horrible and I'm really shocked you used it...

Cajungator26 · #45 09-19-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

OHHH Lava Man MAY get my third place in the tri too. I say Sun King above Invasor though. I like Bernardini. He has won his races very easily, but there is just something that keeps me from falling head over heels for this horse. OH yeah, Barbaro. A wall comes up because of Bernardini's win in the Preakness. I think of that day as a dark one and I can't get past it. I think if Bernardini had not run in the Preakness I may be more on his bandwagon. Call me crazy...

I'm kind of on the same boat, but I think my problem with Bernardini is his connections (which surely isn't his fault) and to be completely honest, I don't like the way he looks. LOL Other than those two things, the horse is amazing. What most people need to remember though is that he hasn't faced older horses yet. I want to see him race against older horses. I was extremely impressed with Showing Up even though he didn't win the race against Cacique. For a 3 year old, he "showed up" literally.

Pointg5 · #46 09-19-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm kind of on the same boat, but I think my problem with Bernardini is his connections (which surely isn't his fault) and to be completely honest, I don't like the way he looks. LOL literally.

You don't like how he looks? You must need glasses, how can you say that about the greatest race horse of all time?

King Glorious · #47 09-19-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No sir, your wrong there....the differnece between a mile and 1 1/4 miles is the TWO TURNS MORE THAN ANYTHING....Could Silver Train get a mile anywhere other than a place like Belmont, AQU, CD or ARL where it is a ONE TURN race?...I doubt it....But, could Silver Train get 1 1/4 miles if there were such thing as a one turn 10-furlong race, who knows...maybe...

What people don't undertstand about stamina is that most of the time it has to do with having the ability to negotiiate the second turn rather than the distance....your exapmle was dead horrible and I'm really shocked you used it...

This is correct in my opinion. Take a horse like Pleasant Tap back in in 1991-92. Couldn't win a race around two turns ANYWHERE. But put him at 10f at Belmont where it's only one-turn and he dominated the Suburban (1:58 4/5) and the JCGC.

He's just one example but there are plenty more of those horses that couldn't stay 10f anywhere but Belmont. I agree that the second turn is more of a reason than distance as to why more horses can't handle it.

Cajungator26 · #48 09-19-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

You don't like how he looks? You must need glasses, how can you say that about the greatest race horse of all time?

There's something about his eyes I don't like... LOL He looks likes a fruit loop, but like I said, that's just my stupid opinion and obviously it holds no merit for how fast he can run.

Buffymommy · #49 09-19-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

You don't like how he looks? You must need glasses, how can you say that about the greatest race horse of all time?

HUH? Now I think he is a nice horse, but the greatest of all time? HUH? Maybe you need glasses or have you just been following racing since the Preakness? Don't dub him that yet. Let him prove it first.

Cajungator26 · #50 09-19-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

HUH? Now I think he is a nice horse, but the greatest of all time? HUH? Maybe you need glasses or have you just been following racing since the Preakness? Don't dub him that yet. Let him prove it first.

I think he was kidding, Buffy. LMAO

Buffymommy · #51 09-19-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

There's something about his eyes I don't like... LOL He looks likes a fruit loop, but like I said, that's just my stupid opinion and obviously it holds no merit for how fast he can run.

I think he is a pretty horse. I know what you are saying Cajun. I thought the same thing about his eyes. Just didn't know what it was and I can't put a label on it.

Buffymommy · #52 09-19-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think he was kidding, Buffy. LMAO

Then I apologize PointG. I was really only responding with sarcasim.

Pointg5 · #53 09-19-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think he was kidding, Buffy. LMAO

That's funny, Buffy always telling people to be nice, then she cracks on me, lol...Keep it up Buffy, I love when people crack on each other, even if it's me being cracked on....

kentuckyrosesinmay · #54 09-19-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

If the field for Classic is what I think it is going to be then I love Sun King in this race. He is really the only horse who can make a strong middle move. Churchill plays right into his running style. I will be in Louisville the week of the BC and I will report back on how Sun King is doing.

Thanks Euro. Any information will certainly be appreciated on this end.

Sightseek · #55 09-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Bernardini is the most amazing and intelligent looking animal I have ever laid eyes on. I was seriously wow'ed everytime I saw him at Saratoga. He knows he is King of the Land.

Buffymommy · #56 09-19-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

That's funny, Buffy always telling people to be nice, then she cracks on me, lol...Keep it up Buffy, I love when people crack on each other, even if it's me being cracked on....

I am in a silly mood today and am being very sarcastic today. Luckily my boss is out of the office today!

Cajungator26 · #57 09-19-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Bernardini is the most amazing and intelligent looking animal I have ever laid eyes on. I was seriously wow'ed everytime I saw him at Saratoga. He knows he is King of the Land.

Kind of like his connections, which might be why I don't like him. LMAO

Dunbar · #58 09-19-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb

RATINGS:
Ouija Board 125
Alexandrova 123+
Gorella 122

I feel that the BCFMT is the race where the Euros are strongest.

Ouija Board has been campaigned with greater regularity than in previous seasons, but runs with credit race in race out. The 11f trip will prove ideal, she is amenable as regards her positioning through a race, and is a certainty to finish in the first 3: I'd put my life on that!

Alexandrova could scarcely have been more impressive in winning the Epsom/Irish/Yorkshire Oaks, seemingly well within herself. She relaxes well during her races and has a lethal turn of foot. She is a league apart amongst 3yo fillies (and the 3 4yos she faced at York).

Gorella switches off so well during her races that I imagine that she probably will prove effective over 11f, and her ability to quicken so well make her a formidable opponent in any company. However with even the slightest doubt over stamina the two fillies listed above will take advantage. I get the impression the Mile is shaping up into the less competitive race, and that may be the one they should aim for.

Good post. Thanks.

(I'm a bit prejudiced toward any post that lauds Ouija Board, though!)

--Dunbar

LARHAGE · #59 09-19-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

You don't like how he looks? You must need glasses, how can you say that about the greatest race horse of all time?

I'm not going to be so silly as to call him the greatest racehorse of all time, but his looks are quite frankly flawless, the horse moves and looks like a painting, a very fine one at that!

LARHAGE · #60 09-19-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

I think he is a pretty horse. I know what you are saying Cajun. I thought the same thing about his eyes. Just didn't know what it was and I can't put a label on it.

I think the picture she was referring to him about his eyes is where he was focused and looking intently at something, his eyes were wide and he looked surprised, of course me being an Arabian breeder we love that look, it accentuates a lovely face, our magazines are full of stallions snorting and blowing and looking so alive! It's part of their beauty to me. I've never been a walk, trot, stumble kind of Quarter Horse fan, give me the hotbloods anyday!